SP1 Panel States in SP1B - PMDG please clarify

[Mike777 163]

 Hi, Ryan, Robert and everyone,

 

It seems to me that it is not necessary to delete panel states saved using the original SP1, as the PMDG-supplied panel states have not changed (by date and time modified).

 

I have quite a few SP1 saved flights w/ panel states, including several setups for approach practice.  I am sure there are others who have saved flights from SP1 as well.They still seem to work OK, with only the appearance of equipment cooling warning messages in the EICAS and on the overhead panel switch.  These can be fixed by cycling the switch off and on.

 

Thanks,

Mike

 

[pete_auau 1,158]

If people would read the read me file that came with the sp1b you would have found your answers

 

NOTE: This patch will update your PMDG 777-200LR/F to make it

compliant to version 1.10.6061, which is also known as "SP1b" in PMDG parlance.

 

This patch is universal and will update either your originally purchased 777 or

a 777 that has been previously patched to SP1.

 

This installer will update your 777 installation completely and accurately and does

not require you to conduct a "full reinstallation" of the 777. This installer was

written in order to provide you with a simple, accurate update and it has been tested

on thousands of installations to accurately update your 777.

 

VERY IMPORTANT: Due to the huge number of changes we made to the 777, we were not able

to maintain backward compatibiltiy with any saved flights. We recommend that you delete

all of your 777 saved flights and panel state files in order to prevent accidentally

loading one of them.

 

 

Please enjoy the 777!

[Mike777 163]

If people would read the read me file that came with the sp1b you would have found your answers

 

Hi, Pete,

 

I did read the instructions carefully.  I also looked at the PMDG-supplied panel states.  In SP1B they have the same size and modified date as in  SP1.   Thus I concluded that they did not change between SP1 and SP1B.  The passage you quoted is exactly the same in the SP1 instructions and in the SP1B instructions.  So I think it is very likely it was left in by mistake.  I believe it should have said that only those people who never updated to SP1 need to delete their previous panel states.  I also tested some of my SP1 saved states and they work fine.

 

My aim is to save people unnecessary time and effort.  I have created quite a few saved flights/panel states that are setups for various approaches and other situations.  I'm sure there are quite a few others who have done the same thing   It took time to redo them between the original RTM and SP1 -- no problem since it was clearly necessary.  But if it is not necessary now, then people ought to know it.

 

Mike

 

Edit:  there is also a way to use saved panel states at the beginning of replays using FS-Recorder - another reason to keep them if possible.

[777simmer 117]

I read the same as you Mike and I assume the same.

 

I dont think that much has changed between SP1 and SP1b that you have to delete them all again.

 

But a confirmation by PMDG would be good.

[Mike777 163]

 

 

I read the same as you Mike and I assume the same.

I dont think that much has changed between SP1 and SP1b that you have to delete them all again.

But a confirmation by PMDG would be good.

 

Thank, Rob,

 

Yes, a confirmation would be good, just to be on the safe side.

 

Mike

[geolpilot 88]

 

 

there is also a way to use saved panel states at the beginning of replays using FS-Recorder - another reason to keep them if possible.

 

Hi Mike

 

Would you mind sharing what you do here. When I start a replay, depending on the stage of flight, I go through those items that are not set correctly by FS recorder (eg lights, gear lever position, for take-off trim, autobrake and flaps setting). But your way seems it could be quicker.

 

Find I have to hit the gear-up /down button at the correct moment (just as you see the gear-bay doors start to open), or the gear animation will not work properly.

 

Wonder if the guy who wrote FS recorder is still around. Would be nice if he could use the 777 SDK offsets to be able to animate some of the PMDG specific stuff. I miss seeing the flaperon action in replays for example.

 

Rob

[Mike777 163]

Would you mind sharing what you do here. When I start a replay, depending on the stage of flight, I go through those items that are not set correctly by FS recorder (eg lights, gear lever position, for take-off trim, autobrake and flaps setting). But your way seems it could be quicker.

 

Find I have to hit the gear-up /down button at the correct moment (just as you see the gear-bay doors start to open), or the gear animation will not work properly.

 

Wonder if the guy who wrote FS recorder is still around. Would be nice if he could use the 777 SDK offsets to be able to animate some of the PMDG specific stuff. I miss seeing the flaperon action in replays for example.

 

Hi, Rob,

 

I use the FSRecorder function of saving a flight at the start of the recording.  This works pretty well for approaches.  The key thing to get it to work is to rename the panel state files found in the PMDG/777x/panelstates folder.  Fs-Recorder does save them in the correct folder, but not with the correct names.  There are three files, ending in 0.RTE, FMC and SAV.   They start w/ the name you used for the recording.  They need to be renamed as FLT.0.RTE, FLT.FMC and FLT.SAV .  There can be more than one file ending in Rte, such as 1.RTE.  It should be renamed the same way - FLT.1.RTE. 

 

This way, when you replay the recording it reloads the panel state as well (that's why I am reluctant to delete any panel states). 

 

This is not a cure-all:  The flaps work well, but the gear still needs help.  On approaches, you need to arm the spoiler manually (although the plane will stop just as it did when you made the recording anyway).  You also need to manually operate the thrust reversers.  But you do get the flight plan, the engines are on, and the lights are configured as they were when you started to record.  The flaps deploy as they did during recording.  You also get the weather as it was at the beginning of the recording. 

 

On a takeoff, if you don't start the recording until just before takeoff it works well, although the gear still need manual help.  If you start recording when the engines are off, flight plan is not loaded, etc., that's what you will get at the start of playback and these things won't correct themselves.  You will get a plane taxiing and taking off with engines off, possibly external carts connected, doors open, etc. 

 

I posted at the FS-Recorder forum about the panel state files being saved with the wrong endings (I believe it does work OK for PMDG products in FS9).   The post there goes into a little more detail:

http://www.fs-recorder.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=887

 

There has been no response -- The developer may no longer be very active.  He developed a great free utility; it has many amazing features.   But my guess is he went on to other things.

 

Mike

[geolpilot 88]

 

 

I use the FSRecorder function of saving a flight at the start of the recording

 

Hi Mike

 

Thanks. I will give your method a try.

 

Rob

[Mike777 163]

Please see Ryan's post #12 here:

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/448846-confusion-on-deleting-old-panel-states/

 

where he says,

 

"That paragraph in the SP1b readme should have been clarified more - you do NOT have to delete SP1 panel states - they are compatible with SP1b. The ones that need to be deleted are the ones from the RTM version released last year."

 

Also Kyle's post in that thread, #11

 

Mike