Thanks Spin.

 

The column is obviously well dampened from airframe vibration then.

 

Do you get differential resistance through the column under various conditions, I would presume the column would be servo assisted like power steering ? I guess what I'm trying to say, is they're any force feed back through the column at all ?

 

Cheers

 

Ivan

Yes, there is feedback. The Elevator Feel Computer changes how much resistance there is in the yoke based on speed. That's what the pitots on the vertical stab is for. Also there's the Speed Trim System and the Mach Trim System which try to make the yoke seem like the airplane has more positive static stability.

Yes, there is feedback. The Elevator Feel Computer changes how much resistance there is in the yoke based on speed. That's what the pitots on the vertical stab is for. Also there's the Speed Trim System and the Mach Trim System which try to make the yoke seem like the airplane has more positive static stability.

Thanks Spin, I now have most the info I need to set up my MSFFB2 with FS Force. Since I purchased this second hand dinasour (MSFFB2), all my modern yokes and sticks sit collecting dust. Why on earth has somebody not produced an affordable FFB equivalent since ? I don't think I could go back to a conventional spring centering stick or yoke again ?

 

Thanks for your time

 

Ivan

There's been a kickstarter project (here http://irisdynamics.com/force-feedback-yoke) which I thought looked promising. I also have an MSFFB2 but I usually have the FFB switched off as it didn't quite fulfil my expectations and its reactions are so slow. Too bad and I don't quite know what to do about it, as I generally do like the idea of FFB a lot.

 

There's been a kickstarter project (here http://irisdynamics.com/force-feedback-yoke) which I thought looked promising. I also have an MSFFB2 but I usually have the FFB switched off as it didn't quite fulfil my expectations and its reactions are so slow. Too bad and I don't quite know what to do about it, as I generally do like the idea of FFB a lot.

 

Do you use FS Force with your msffb2 ?

Do you use FS Force with your msffb2 ?

 

Not yet. For me one of the flaws with FFB (or maybe it's a flaw of the MSSW) is that the reactions are way too slow. When flying with the FSX stock FFB effects I pull back on the yoke and half a second later I get the resistance that should have been there the very moment I started to move the stick. Doesn't exactly add to the immersion. If something like FSForce could overcome these shortcomings I might give it a try although the price seems quite steep for a small tool. What are your experiences?

 

BTW Maybe there are different opinions on this, but IMHO the yoke on the NG does not move at all on the ground with hydraulics off. There's just way too much internal friction, and it takes considerable force to move the controls manually. Except for strong wind conditions, where the yoke may start to move as it would do on a C152. As stated above in this case one could opt to switch on one ELEC hydraulic pump which again will center the yoke and stop the movements. Also the yoke doesn't gradually center with increasing speed, it stays centered as long as there is hydraulic pressure.

 

One more thing for your FFB profile: Interestingly enough, I believe the control pressure in the aileron direction is not speed dependent. The elevator feel computer will only adjust control forces for the elevators, as the name suggests. If anyone however has different info on this topic (with reference), I'd be happy to hear about it.

 

Initially bought the msffb2 for the Condor gliding sim, the sim was designed around the msffb2 and has a very realistic feel about it. Naturally, I wanted to try it out with FSX, i disconnectedi my warthog, but was instantly disappointed with the performance of the msffb2. After a little research, I discovered FS Force and installed the demo version. I purchased the full version within 24 hrs, and have never looked back. The software is highly configurable, and the stick is now configured for the NGX with the column centralizing forces applied at all times. Real life or not, I have set a weight bias through the associated speed ranges, which gives me a heavy stick at slower speeds and gradually ramps up to a lighter more sensitive feel at faster speeds. Real life or not, I like to feel the vibration of the gear down, flaps down position and the clunk of the gear up lock along with the full power rumble at take off and grooves in the runways and taxiways. The NGX is possibly not the best example of how good FS Force can be, if you fly GA, it's simply awesome. I would purchase FS Force, if it was only for the feel of the trim associated through the stick, the rest is bonus. If it wasn't for the warthog and x65f THROTTLES, which i use in my config, they would both be up for sale. Try the FS Force demo, I am not associated at all with the developer.

Thanks for the information. In the meantime I tried the demo and I believe I might give the full version a shot then.

 

Thanks for the information. In the meantime I tried the demo and I believe I might give the full version a shot then.

 

I would be surprised if your disappointed :-)

I'm not. Finally gave it a shot. Interestingly enough, I always thought the shortcomings I experienced with the MSSW were intrinsic to the hardware. Apparently it's the FFB model of FSX that generates control forces half a second after they should have been there. With FSForce the forces are there right away, just as it should be. Plus the trim is a nice addition as well, although I believe the true effect might come out best with a FFB yoke. Maybe the Iris one day... Have you seen the video about it? Think it looks quite promising.

 

I'm not. Finally gave it a shot. Interestingly enough, I always thought the shortcomings I experienced with the MSSW were intrinsic to the hardware. Apparently it's the FFB model of FSX that generates control forces half a second after they should have been there. With FSForce the forces are there right away, just as it should be. Plus the trim is a nice addition as well, although I believe the true effect might come out best with a FFB yoke. Maybe the Iris one day... Have you seen the video about it? Think it looks quite promising.

 

Glad you like, i can't believe I've substituted all my modern hi tech controllers for a second hand 10 yr old msffb2. Agree about the Iris, though the price isn't too appealing, I paid $25 for my MSFFB2 lol.

Yes, thanks for the hint about the software! It's not that I hadn't known about it, in fact I believe I knew about FSForce pretty much since it had hit the market. Glad I finally can enjoy the full potential of the MSSW!

If Iris would just make a decent thrust console to go with their yoke... that would be amazing.