I just got hired to fly right seat in a lear 31,,,,, never flown a lear and I'm looking for a 31 panel and ac. I don't recall any payware ac which is what I'd prefer. Anyone know of any good freeware or payware lear 31's? Thanks in advance B Bjorkman

AFAIK, there aren't really any high quality Lear 31 panels unfortunately. :(If you don't mind me asking, what was your TT and ME TT? Also, how did you do your flight training, FBO route or one of the Academys?Thx, and I hope you find what you are looking for!

Sorry for the delay, been throwing people out of an airplane this afternoon. To answer your question I went to Embry-Riddle for a year back in 86, that put me in the poor house so I worked for a year and then went down to Flight Safety Academy in Vero Beach, Fl. and got all my ratings. Came home to Nebraska and instructed for 2 years. Then met my wife,,,,,,, didn't fly for 8 years. Started flying skydivers 3 summers ago. In March I got hired to fly right seat in a KingAir 200 for an air ambulance operation part time. Did that for 6 months until they lost the contract 2 weeks ago. Did some serious praying (I'm serious) and got hired yesterday, right seat,full time for the largest golf course builder in the world (ala free golf) Ok, now after all that,,,,, your not going to believe this,,,,, TT 704 Multi 111 Turbo Prop 46. If you don't belive that refer back to the part about praying:)

congrats. Good to see a low hour pilot getting hired. I will be in that praying club in a few years

>Sorry for the delay, been throwing people out of an airplane>this afternoon. To answer your question I went to>Embry-Riddle for a year back in 86, that put me in the poor>house so I worked for a year and then went down to Flight>Safety Academy in Vero Beach, Fl. and got all my ratings. >Came home to Nebraska and instructed for 2 years. Then met my>wife,,,,,,, didn't fly for 8 years. Started flying skydivers>3 summers ago. In March I got hired to fly right seat in a>KingAir 200 for an air ambulance operation part time. Did>that for 6 months until they lost the contract 2 weeks ago. >Did some serious praying (I'm serious) and got hired>yesterday, right seat,full time for the largest golf course>builder in the world (ala free golf) Ok, now after all>that,,,,, your not going to believe this,,,,, TT 704 Multi 111>Turbo Prop 46. If you don't belive that refer back to the>part about praying:)WOW! LOL!Now that is some serious praying. If you don't mind me asking, what are your companies insurance requirements for time as an F/O? How about Captain?I take it that your job is Pt. 135, or is it Pt. 91?Congrats on the job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its part 91. This is a corporate job meaning no charter (which is what 135 is) we just fly the execs around to the different projects they have going around the country. As far as the insurance requirements, I don't know. They must be low for SIC or else I wouldn't be able to work for them. I went over to the PIC's house on the way home from flying skydivers to pick up the manual for the airplane and I asked him if he had been looking very long for a FO. 3 weeks to answer that question, but what is interesting is that he said when he started in aviation back in the 70's there were a ton of pilots and it took forever to get into a job after instructing. He had 5,000 hours before he got into a Learjet. Nowadays he said that not many people are learning to fly and the ones that go to "the academys" get snatched up right away by the regionals at 900 to 1000 hours so there just are not many qualified guys to choose from. If any of you guys (or gals) are thinking of an aviation career I'd tell you to jump on it and get going, the timing is perfect. B. Bjorkman

>Its part 91. This is a corporate job meaning no charter>(which is what 135 is) we just fly the execs around to the>different projects they have going around the country. As far>as the insurance requirements, I don't know. They must be low>for SIC or else I wouldn't be able to work for them. I went>over to the PIC's house on the way home from flying skydivers>to pick up the manual for the airplane and I asked him if he>had been looking very long for a FO. 3 weeks to answer that>question, but what is interesting is that he said when he>started in aviation back in the 70's there were a ton of>pilots and it took forever to get into a job after>instructing. He had 5,000 hours before he got into a Learjet.> Nowadays he said that not many people are learning to fly and>the ones that go to "the academys" get snatched up right away>by the regionals at 900 to 1000 hours so there just are not>many qualified guys to choose from. If any of you guys (or>gals) are thinking of an aviation career I'd tell you to jump>on it and get going, the timing is perfect. B.>BjorkmanOh yeah, some of the Academy guys (as in FSA, DCA, ATP, etc..) are getting pricked up pretty quickly. The only isue is being able to afford it. lolI know of one guy who got hired by XJet flying ERJs as an F/O at about 600 TT or so. Pretty crazy, but if they are trained well, why not. :)

Hi And congratulations. BUT -- I hope that you don't take offence to this or me -- but I have to say that, as a non-real life pilot but a pc pilot who understands that some Fsim a/c are very accurate in their panels, I have to express concern that a new Lear 31 RHS man would be looking for a Fsim a/c. Unless the a/c was of the order of say the Flight1 ATR or the Frolov Dash8 (which I understand have been designed in conjunction with the a/c manufacturers), I can't see how any other Fsim a/c would be of much help to you -- and almost scares the Be-jeesus out of me that you would be looking for such a thing.OK -- so please be gentle with me -- but I had to say it.Regards Barry

>Hi >>And congratulations. >>BUT -- I hope that you don't take offence to this or me -- but>I have to say that, as a non-real life pilot but a pc pilot>who understands that some Fsim a/c are very accurate in their>panels, I have to express concern that a new Lear 31 RHS man>would be looking for a Fsim a/c. Unless the a/c was of the>order of say the Flight1 ATR or the Frolov Dash8 (which I>understand have been designed in conjunction with the a/c>manufacturers), I can't see how any other Fsim a/c would be of>much help to you -- and almost scares the Be-jeesus out of me>that you would be looking for such a thing.>>OK -- so please be gentle with me -- but I had to say it.>>Regards >>BarryIf the panel is accurate, it can be used to practice procedures and whatnot. I don't think anybody actually uses them to become a "better pilot", but they do have their place. Not to mention, it is also a good way to get used to the cockpit layout. However, like I said before, the panel has to be accurate....not "sort of accurate"...ACCURATE. :)Now, if somebody is usng an FS Lear to make themselves a better Lear pilot or to practice for a type rating then there will probably be issues. :-lol

>If the panel is accurate, it can be used to practice>procedures and whatnot. I don't think anybody actually uses>them to become a "better pilot", but they do have their place.>Not to mention, it is also a good way to get used to the>cockpit layout. However, like I said before, the panel has to>be accurate....not "sort of accurate"...ACCURATE. :)>>>Now, if somebody is usng an FS Lear to make themselves a>better Lear pilot or to practice for a type rating then there>will probably be issues. :-lol>:) Thanks for that - and good luck and congrats again on this next step of your career.Barry

>>>>If the panel is accurate, it can be used to practice>>procedures and whatnot. I don't think anybody actually uses>>them to become a "better pilot", but they do have their>place.>>Not to mention, it is also a good way to get used to the>>cockpit layout. However, like I said before, the panel has>to>>be accurate....not "sort of accurate"...ACCURATE. :)>>>>>>Now, if somebody is usng an FS Lear to make themselves a>>better Lear pilot or to practice for a type rating then>there>>will probably be issues. :-lol>>>>:) Thanks for that - and good luck and congrats again on this>next step of your career.>>BarryDon't wish me luck, BB is the one "going places" right now. "Going places"...I crack myself up. :-lol *starts crying*Hopefully, I'll be able to start on a similar path September next year. :)

LOL. Don't panic, I may have only 700 hours but I'm not a complete idiot. Actually I used to great advantage the aeroworx B200 for cockpit orientation while learning to fly a real 200. That's why I said I needed a good (preferably payware) model and panel. It makes a huge difference if you can "practice" with a model that replicates the real thing, you know where all the switches and such are when you FIRST get into the cockpit. Thanks for the input B Bjorkman

Agreed,I've just made extensive use of the PSS A320 to help me through my Airbus type rating. Compared to everyone else on the course, I knew the MCDU and FCU/autoflight modes better than any of the others. Not to mention the location of most of the switches on the overhead panel (even if they didn't work at home, I knew where they were in relation to all the others).And I only have 350 hours,Take care,Ian