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No vectors to ILS without STAR

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Hi Dave,
 
First off, amazing job with Pilot2ATC so far. I've tried just about every third party ATC options out there, and this is definitely shaping up to be the best.
 
I've been having an issue with approaches into airports without any STARs available. For instance, I file PHOG-BEACH4-LNY-PHLI. As I depart LNY, I would expect to fly direct PHLI unless ATC clear me to an approach or start giving me vectors. However, in this case ATC assumes that I will fly the ILS 35 with NAPUA transition from LNY. If I fly direct to PHLI, I am told that I am off course and given a heading to fly (towards NAPUA) and then told to resume own navigation. At this point I haven't been told what approach to expect and don't know where to fly. It is not until I have flown past NAPUA and MORKE and am on the approach course that I am cleared to the ILS approach.

 

ATC assigns SIDS/STAR is checked.

ATC assigns approaches is checked.

ATC gives vectors to IF is checked.

 

Here is my transcript (Note- this was the second time I flew this route and I assumed ATC would expect me to fly the ILS 35 with the NAPUA transition, even though I hadn't been cleared to that approach.)

 

Simulator Connected
Recognition Engine Installed
Grammars Loaded
NextWpt: To Alt-1400
~Delta Seven Niner Six ready to copy IFR Clearance
 Delta Seven Niner Six Ready to Copy IFR Clearance; 
State Change to: FlightPlanDelivered
Delta Seven Niner Six is cleared to Papa Hotel Lima India, fly the BEACH4 departure , with the LNY transition , then as filed.   Maintain , Eight Thousand feet . Expect higher clearances five minutes after departure  Departure on One One Niner Point Five Squawk Four One Five Three
~Delta Seven Niner Six is cleared to Papa Hotel Lima India, fly the BEACH4 departure , with the LNY transition , then as filed.   Maintain , Eight Thousand feet . Expect higher clearances five minutes after departure  Departure on One One Niner Point Five Squawk Four One Five Three
NextWpt: To Alt-1400
 Delta Seven Niner Six is Cleared to Papa Hotel Lima India fly the BEACH4 departure with the LNY transition then as filed Maintain Eight Thousand Feet Expect higher clearances five minutes after departure Departure on One One Niner Point Five Squawk Four One Five Three; 
Delta Seven Niner Six Readback Correct.  Altimeter is Three Zero Zero Six Contact Ground on One Two One Point Niner when ready for pushback  have a good one 
~ Altimeter is Three Zero Zero Six Ground on One Two One Point Niner Delta Seven Niner Six
 Altimeter is Three Zero Zero Six Ground on One Two One Point Niner Delta Seven Niner Six; 
~Delta Seven Niner Six ready for pushback and engine start
 Delta Seven Niner Six Ready for Pushback and Engine Start; 
Delta Seven Niner Six Pushback and engine start approved 
~ Pushback and engine start approved  Delta Seven Niner Six
 Pushback and Engine Start Approved Delta Seven Niner Six; 
~Delta Seven Niner Six request taxi to Zero Two
~Delta Seven Niner Six ready to taxi
 Delta Seven Niner Six Ready to Taxi; 
State Change to: TaxiOut
Delta Seven Niner Six Taxi to Runway Zero Two Via Taxiways Alpha, Charlie,  Hold Short Runway Zero Two
~ Taxi to Runway Zero Two Via Taxiways Alpha, Charlie,  Hold Short Runway Zero Two Delta Seven Niner Six
State Change to: AtDepartureRunway
Delta Seven Niner Six Contact Tower on One One Eight Point Seven,  enjoy your afternoon 
~Tower on One One Eight Point Seven Delta Seven Niner Six
 Tower on One One Eight Point Seven Delta Seven Niner Six; 
~Delta Seven Niner Six ready for departure runway Zero Two
 Delta Seven Niner Six Ready for Departure Runway Zero Two; 
State Change to: TakeoffIFR
Delta Seven Niner Six Whinds are Zero Five Zero at One One knots  Cleared for takeoff, Runway Zero Two
~Cleared for takeoff, Runway Zero Two Delta Seven Niner Six
 Cleared for Takeoff Runway Zero Two Delta Seven Niner Six; 
NextWpt: BEACH
Delta Seven Niner Six Slow to 250 knots or less. 
~Wilco  Delta Seven Niner Six
 Wilco Delta Seven Niner Six; 
State Change to: DepartureIFR
Delta Seven Niner Six  Climb and Maintain , One Four Thousand feet  Contact Departure on One One Niner Point Five,  have a good one 
~Departure on One One Niner Point Five,  have a good afternoon  Delta Seven Niner Six
 Departure on One One Niner Point Five have a good afternoon Delta Seven Niner Six; 
~Delta Seven Niner Six passing   Six Thousand   One Hundred feet  for   One Four Thousand feet 
 Delta Seven Niner Six Passing Six Thousand One Hundred Feet For One Four Thousand Feet; 
Delta Seven Niner Six  good afternoon .  Radar Contact. 
Delta Seven Niner Six  Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Zero Zero
~ Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Zero Zero Delta Seven Niner Six
NextWpt: LANAI
 Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Zero Zero Delta Seven Niner Six; 
State Change to: EnRouteIFR
Delta Seven Niner Six Contact HONOLULU CENTER  on One One Niner Point Three,  enjoy your afternoon 
~Center on One One Niner Point Three take care  Delta Seven Niner Six
 Center on One One Niner Point Three take care Delta Seven Niner Six; 
~Delta Seven Niner Six passing   One Five Thousand   Two Hundred feet  for Flight Level Two Zero Zero
 Delta Seven Niner Six Passing One Five Thousand Two Hundred Feet For Flight Level Two Zero Zero; 
Delta Seven Niner Six  good afternoon .  Radar Contact. 
Delta Seven Niner Six  Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Four Zero
~ Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Four Zero Delta Seven Niner Six
 Climb and Maintain Flight Level Two Four Zero Delta Seven Niner Six; 
NextWpt: TOD
NextWpt: TOD
State Change to: TODDescent
Delta Seven Niner Six  Descend and Maintain Flight Level One Niner Zero
~ Descend and Maintain Flight Level One Niner Zero Delta Seven Niner Six
NextWpt: NAPUA
 Descend and Maintain Flight Level One Niner Zero Delta Seven Niner Six; 
Delta Seven Niner Six  Descend and Maintain , One Four Thousand feet 
~ Descend and Maintain   One Four Thousand feet  Delta Seven Niner Six
 Descend and Maintain One Four Thousand Feet Delta Seven Niner Six; 
Delta Seven Niner Six  Descend and Maintain , Niner Thousand feet 
~ Descend and Maintain   Niner Thousand feet  Delta Seven Niner Six
 Descend and Maintain Niner Thousand Feet Delta Seven Niner Six; 
State Change to: IFRDescent
Delta Seven Niner Six Slow to 250 knots or less. 
~Wilco  Delta Seven Niner Six
Delta Seven Niner Six  Descend and Maintain , Three Thousand feet 
~ Descend and Maintain   Three Thousand feet  Delta Seven Niner Six
Delta Seven Niner Six Slow to 250 knots or less. 
~Wilco  Delta Seven Niner Six
 Wilco Delta Seven Niner Six; 
Delta Seven Niner Six Slow to 250 knots or less. 
~Wilco  Delta Seven Niner Six
NextWpt: MORKE
NextWpt: AKULE
Delta Seven Niner Six  Descend and Maintain , One Thousand , Niner Hundred feet 
~ Descend and Maintain   One Thousand   Niner Hundred feet  Delta Seven Niner Six
 Descend and Maintain One Thousand Niner Hundred Feet Delta Seven Niner Six; 
State Change to: ClearedForApproach
Delta Seven Niner Six Cleared for ILS approach to Runway Three Five with the NAPUA transition  at LIHUE Contact Tower on One One Eight Point Niner,  have a good afternoon 
~Cleared ILS approach to Runway Three Five with the NAPUA transition  Tower on One One Eight Point Niner,  goodday  Delta Seven Niner Six
~Delta Seven Niner Six established on final for ILS  runway Three Five
 Delta Seven Niner Six established on Final for ILS Runway Three Five; 
State Change to: ClearedToLand
Delta Seven Niner Six Slow to approach speed  Whinds are Zero Six Zero at One Seven knots  Cleared to Land Runway Three Five
~Cleared to land runway Three Five  Delta Seven Niner Six
NextWpt: RW35
 Cleared to Land Runway Three Five Delta Seven Niner Six; 
State Change to: LandingRoll
Delta Seven Niner Six exit runway when able. 
~Clear of Active  Delta Seven Niner Six

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Hi Tyranc.

I will fly this route later today and see what happens.  There are still some approach scenarios that need work and this may be one of them.

 

A couple of questions so I can come as close as possible to your experience.

1) Are you running the latest update V200.15?

2) What is your Approach Radius set to?

 

Thanks,

Dave

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I found and fixed the problems with this scenario for the next update.

Thanks,

Dave

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