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Strange review of Rhode Island Scenery

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Guest oyvindhansen

Whats up with the 3 1/2 stars? That's the rating given to Cloud9's Aviano scenery, which looks awful compared to the RI. If there is any better scenery than RI, I'd like to know. Fs scenery design is in a sorry state its the best scenery can only get 3 1/2 stars at Avsim.-

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Guest allcott

You're forgetting that Sam Needs reviewed one, David Swindle the other. I don't think you should regard the star system as acceptable for comparison purposes between reviews as each reviewer brings their own preferences and opinions, and the star system is not required to review to a checklist to ensure parity, just an overall indicator of `standard` as assessed by that reviewer.Always eat the meat, not the packaging before you decide whether you like the beef!Allcott

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Guest oyvindhansen

Well, I'm under the impression that Avsim's grade scale specifies certain criteria across the reviewer's personal preferences, such as five stars means the current state of the art, 4 1/2 is very good but not revolutionary etc. The review goes on about how great the scenery is, and there is nothing in the text that really corresponds with the rating given. If this scenery is a 3 1/2, what would the reviewer consider four or five stars. I'm not avare of any current big airport sceneries that are significantly better.I've seen something similar before, when the Aeroworx King Air, definitely the leader in its class, got a 3 1/2 while for a long time anything from Lago or Flight1 seemed unable to score less that 4 stars.-

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Guest allcott

So submit your own review? and make your star assessment clear as being in comparison with other payware products. Nowhere in the review does it state `in comparison with` so I simply assumed it is a standalone review.3.5 stars means, according to Avsim review policy"Positive Tweaking of Today's State-of-the-Art"I think that fits with the reviewers decision.4 stars means, according to Avsim review policy"Natural Upward Progression From State-of-the-Art"I don't think that Rhode Island intrduces any revolutionary new ideas, does it? Certianly nothing mentioned in the review. It has the concentric circle of detail approach, which is a very clever interpretation, but then that is what FS does natively, but what is there that takes this product to the next level? That's not to criticise, simply to ask what the product would have to offer to get the extra half star. Its mesh, photoreal, seasonal, detailed textures of a medium-sized area, very, very cleverly done.3.5 stars seems right to me as a standalone review. If your thinking is that this is better than products whcih have recieved higher stars, then do your own comparative review! Nowhere does the reviewer mention those other products, so maybe he hasn't seen them to compare? If you have, then write about it.Allcott

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Guest oyvindhansen

Wow, a very interesting scale. From what I could decode of the high flying language, almost half of the scale is dedicated to ratings that only a very small percentage of products can hope to attain. That is if the word state-of-the art means what I usually understand it to mean, the latest and best. Here, however, it seems to mean something more like average, as the scale moves almost directly from state-of-the art to substandard.It's also interestig that the rating of five stars, "At the Edge of That Even Conceivable Today" has been used several times lately on aircraft, such as the LevelD and PMDG queen, that I really find very conceivable given aircraft that preceded them, such as the PMDG 737 or Flight1 ATR.OK, it's Avsim's choice, so I will end the discussion.-

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Oyvind (can't seen to find that slash for the O)I find product reviews about as useful as movie reviews - they generally seem to say more about the reviewer than the product. I don't recall ever reading a review of a flight sim addon before deciding to buy it. I generally scan the forums to see what "the masses" are saying.I agree with Allcott; the best thing you can do is share your own experience. Your post says more to me than any review would.Cheers,Paul

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The Rhode Island scenery is nothing short of groundbreaking, as far as payware add-on sceneries go, it is the best I have on my HD bar none. It's the most realistic looking and frame rate friendly scenery I have ever seen. The airports are all ones I have actually flown into in real life and they are nothing short of superb. It should have gotten at least four stars by thier scale, I'd give it 5.Hornit

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Guest PDX Bailey

Any comments from someone that owns and flys this product? Is it worth the money?

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It is DEFENITELY WORTH THE MONEY. When you buy it, and I recommend that you do completely, check out thier upcoming KPDX scenery, its amazing. This is one product I can say anyone should own, it's that good.Hornit

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I've always laughed at reviews (for anything) who mention absolutely no real negatives, yet still can't give it an excellent total score. Makes no sense to me.If CaptainSim made that scenery you can bet someone would have given it a 5

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Guest oyvindhansen

I own it too, well worth the money. Keep in mind that it is a complete package that has three excellent airports, custom stuff for a larger area and doesn't hurt framerates too much.-

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Whats the point anyway of making a review of a scenery thats been out for 7 month, its not very usefull is it.The reviewer did a terrible job with this review, its way off. Rhode island is the best scenery i have ever bought, the detail you see at the airports is incredible, fps is super. No it should have been a 5 star review, nothing less.OHN

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Guest captandy

I would like to put my 2 cents in ...I presently own all US SIMFLYERS which I would give a 2 on their best work and they fault mostly due to their antiquted designs and FPS issues.I also own all of the FLYTAMPA US airports which I love and rate a 3.4 to a 4.5.I also own various freewares which vary but the RI scenery is a 5 no less the encompassing land mesh and airports are fantastic and realistic since I also live in Narragansett as a sencond home.Andy

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Guest koorby

Own RI, love it, fly it, it's superb. However, it will pale in comparison to Vauchez's next effort, Portland Intl. Have a look at the screenies and vids for that one - instant classic already IMHO.I never buy on reviews - for me , it's word of mouth, forums and videos.

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Guest Cindy_Zoonan

I agree. I thought RI scenery was really ground-breaking, so to speak, and if anything warrented 5 stars this scenery would be it.

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Guest Knikolaes

>>I agree with Allcott; the best thing you can do is share your>own experience. Your post says more to me than any review>would.>This is definately true and I agree with it as well.And I say that even as a soul that runs his own personal review site. I do my reviews on my web page simply as information, and I refuse to use a "star" or "rating" system. i just put my personal experience with the product and what I like/don't like about it. I consider it just a way of sharing with others what I experienced firsthand a a user.What I'd like to add here is a definate agreeance with Paul, as I never buy a product based on reviews. I DO read reviews if I can -- just to see screenshots -- but for the true feel of what the product is like the true voice lies here in the forums.I can write an entire essay on a product for my web site, but I can read more in one sentence here on the forum than i could in a 5 page review of any sort.

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Guest Knikolaes

I forgot to mention in my reply above -- I actually just got this scenery 2 days ago and I love it -- to the point that I hit the developer's web site and also got their Paris and Cor . . erm -- forgt the name -- but it's their third scenery.I have never been to RI, but combine how the edges of this scenery merge with Flight1's Ultimate Terrain and it's a superb product. I actually never had an interest in Rhode Island until I ended up with this add-on. Now I am going to purposefully do some GA flights there.

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Guest aarskringspier

Flight Scenery RI is nothing less than stellar; its detail combined with its performance is unrivaled. Only two airport scenery designers are in aleague no one else can touch FLyTampa and FlightScenery. 3 1/2 stars is truly a shame for this scenery.

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Guest PDX Bailey

Interesting! The review now shows 4 stars. I guess they must have changed it. Good job guys.

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what is there that takes this product to the next level? That's not to criticise, simply to ask what the product would have to offer to get the extra half star. Its mesh, photoreal, seasonal, detailed textures of a medium-sized area, very, very cleverly done.I think it's integration of ALL those items you mentioned in the clever method used!! THAT is what is bringing it to the next level!! No, they didn't discover a new trick in the scenery design world, but they took all the tricks previously known and used pretty much all of them in PERFECT synergy to create a rich simulated environment with very little performance hits - which cannot be said about the many MANY other frame-reducing yet lower density/quality sceneries available today. Far too often (in the past), a scenery designer (or design firm) would focus on one feature or another as it's 'groundbreaking' or key feature. FlightZone1:Rhode Island takes ALL of today's key design features, and melds them SEAMLESSLY into a scenery region of unparalleled quality. If this attention to detail is FlightScenery's *START* to commercial sceneries, I cannot wait for future releases to come out. I will never say that a reviewer screwed up, because after all it IS a subjective essay! I was pleased with the reviewer's words about FZ1:RI, but a little disappointed at the initial stars - to each their own. The uprating to 4*'s was a worthwhile move more representative of the product, in my opinion.If ever you fly in the KPVD area, this scenery is a MUST-HAVE. -Greg

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Guest MikeJ

I have a few of the flytampa airports which are great but the Rhode island scenery isn't just a single airport, it's 3 airfields plus surrounding scenery. Broundbreaking features:Virtually no fps hit at all.The best ground textures bar none.Unique approach to creating multiple airfields plus scenery with the best mix of photo terrain and custom autogen to date.3.5 - 4 stars was a joke. If you produce the best scenery available shouldn't that rate as 5 stars? I have no idea where the reviewer is coming from.

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It is quite possible that the way they adopted the rating system it is virtually impossible to score 5 in the scenery department. It is a bit like with Academy Awards - it is virtually impossible for example for a comedy to get an Oscar. It has to be something dark, somber, preferably depressing and showing conflicts to score the highest. Scenery may be treated as a 'light' category, too light to qualify for the top score.Michael J.http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/pmdg_747F.jpghttp://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_beta_member.jpg

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Avsim should come up with a way to assign points for specific categories within a scenery from say 1 to 5. Categories can range fro items such as frame rate hit, smoothness of scenery, immersion factor, level of detail, new and innovative design within scenery, etc... Afterwards, add up the points for a cumalitive total closest to 100 with 100 being the best. That way anyone who reviews a scenery, will have to use this standard format form to submit a review here at Avsim. While yes, it is still subjective, it is less so than it is now IMO.

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