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Hi All

           I opted for a full IAP to LIRF (ISD scenery for FS9) recently but the full list of runways was not displayed......the northerly runways 34L and 34R were not displayed as options.(16C/34C) is not on the scenery.

            The missing runways appear to be in the.csv files (detected OK by makerunways) and they are OK

in the airac files.           

           Can you suggest why this happened please.

 

David Ireland .UK   

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Dave,

 

All I can suggest is you use an AFCAD editor to check both ends of the affected runways are open and then run the Database Builder again.

 

Have you checked you have the latest version of makerunways?

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Hello Ray

                 I hope you are well....

                 Thanks for the steer towards the AFCAD.........

                 Inspection with AFX reveals a real mess........

                 Job for another day !

 

Best Regards

 

David  

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You may find ADE (Airport Design Editor freeware) more compatible with newer scenery. Just use the list facilties:

http://www.scruffyduck.org/

 

You should also check that the date-time of r4.csv in RCv4/data matches the date-time of r5.csv in your FS folder to insure all the data got copied.

Latest makewys is at:

http://forum.simflight.com/topic/66136-useful-additional-programs/

 

If you wish open your r4.csv in wordpad, not Excel, and copy the rows for LIRF into a reply here.

 

I have LIRF from the Italian Design Group I think updated by them. Here is my info from r5.csv in my FS folder which is copied to r4.csv by the scenery rebuild:

 

 

LIRF,0070,41.799961,12.233961,14,69.500,10856,0,450,0.500,41.805054,12.252730,0,CT,CL
LIRF,0161,41.846809,12.262716,14,161.770,12895,108.10BG,480,0.500,41.829964,12.269944,0,CT,
LIRF,0162,41.814899,12.225942,14,161.770,12813,110.30BG,500,0.500,41.798161,12.233120,0,,
LIRF,0250,41.810146,12.271500,14,249.500,10856,109.70BG,450,0.500,41.805054,12.252730,1365,,CL
LIRF,0341,41.781422,12.240298,14,341.770,12813,108.90BG,500,0.500,41.798161,12.233120,1053,,
LIRF,0342,41.813118,12.277172,14,341.770,12895,109.30BG,480,0.500,41.829964,12.269944,0,CT,
 

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Hi David,

 

ScruffyDuck software is probably better than AFX as Ron suggests. 16C/34C is only used as a taxiway but you probably knew that.

 

I'm very well thanks. Good luck sorting the AFCAD.

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Hello again Guys

                             I'm getting there but further problem........AI working OK on 16R departure......I get "line up and hold"....

but no takeoff clearance follows......whats the trigger for "clear for takeoff"

 

Regards

 

David

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Hi David. You have to be within 15 degrees of the runway heading. Have you altered the default settings? If you have that might explain why no takeoff clearance.

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Hi Ray

             My A/C is lined up on the centerline for takeoff..........visually.

             Which setting to I need to be within 15 degrees of ?

             I have not altered any settings regarding the runway headings........they are as per the ISD  AFCAD.

 

Regards

 

David 

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Turn off ai and see if that makes any difference. Maybe ai have not sufficiently cleared the runway or there is cross ground traffic.

 

I think you have to have your brakes on while holding for takeoff clearance. I don't think RC4 had rolling expedited takeoffs.

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Hi Ray

             My A/C is lined up on the centerline for takeoff..........visually.

             Which setting to I need to be within 15 degrees of ?

             I have not altered any settings regarding the runway headings........they are as per the ISD  AFCAD.

 

Regards

 

David 

 

David,

 

Under Options check the Deviations haven't changed. Heading is the crucial one for take-off clearance. It should be 15.

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Sorry if I appear stupid Ray........but which "options" setting are you referring to ?

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David,

 

I don't have access to my PC at present but it's accessible from the main interface. There are only a couple of buttons to choose from. Heading, altitude and speed can be changed. Just make sure heading is 15.

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Ray

 

I guess you mean the RC4 interface/general/deviations/heading.........should be set at 15 ?

 

David

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Hi David. Yes. It has been known for people to change those which can bugger up RC. If you have 15 for heading the problem lies elsewhere.

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Hi Ray

             The problem does indeed appear to be elsewhere !

             I have followed advice from yourself and Ronzie but to no avail......still no takeoff clearance.

             I did get it once or twice.......after takeoff .......about half way down  runway 

             RC does not appear to know where the AC is.......

             Never had this problem before that MakeRwys did not fix the first time it was run.

             Thanks anyway for your help

 

regards to both

 

David 

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David,

 

So you're getting "line up and wait" but no take-off clearance? Are you at the end of the runway or further down when you line up?

 

Does this happen at other airports or just the one? if so, which one?

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Ray

          Only at this airport.....ISD Project LIRF 2005.

          As I indicated in a post that does not seem to be here I have never before come across this problem.........that

          running MakeRwys did not clear the first time it was run.

          At LIRF RC does not seem to know where the user AC is after "lineup and wait"

          I always lineup on the centerline at the end of the runway......a real pilots habits die hard ! 

          On test flights at LIRF I have randomly received T/O clearance just after takeoff.....around halfway down rwy 16R

           Very odd !

 

Regards

 

David

 

BTW the RC heading parameter is now set at 15,,,,,,from much more than that......made no difference....

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David,

 

Does you have the same problem with 34L? What about 09/27? Just request a change of runway in RC.

 

If RC is okay with those three ends it points to something weird with 16R. Maybe a displaced threshold but that shouldn't affect things. UK2000 EGCC 23L has a long taxiway before it becomes 23L but as soon as I line up I'm cleared for take-off irrespective of whether I'm on the taxiway or 23L itself.

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You should check 16R for a broken runway type taxi link. Check its start locations with ADE although that should not affect RC.

 

Run LIRF through ADE's fault finder.

 

Start ADE. Taxi your aircraft to the 16R threshold or takeoff point you are using. ai off and RC not running. Lock ADE to FS.

 

Does the aircraft pointer in ADE match the visual location on the runway? Make sure you are not on a runover pavement if present. I'm thinking of an alignment problem since you get the takeoff clearance halfway down the runway. Check start locations.

 

Although it looks clean if an ai is on the angled runup taxi area and its hold short is too close to the runway RC might see the hold short taxiing ai is on the runway. Check the range effect at the hold short.


On the ISD group LIRF I have the 16R start location is just north of the 16R threshold its range just reaching onto the threshold pavement. The cross runway does not overlap 16R as shown on the Eurocontrol airport diagram (current cycle).

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Hi Ray and Ron

                             I have at last got a "no faults found" run on the AFX faultfinder tool so I ran MakeRws (latest version) again.

                             With all AI disabled I tested takeoffs and results are below,following "line up and wait" each time.

                             RWY 16R.....no T/O clearance on RWY......occurred AFTER T/O around 200ft AGL. 

                             RWY  16L,,,,,as above............this time at about 800ft AGL.

                             RWY   34L...........all OK....Hurrah!

                             RWY   34R..........RC would not offer this runway,even as an alternative ,  (34R is open for both takeoff and landing in the AFCAD)

                             RWY 25...............also all OK......hurrah again !

Regards to both

 

David

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David,

 

I suggest you create a log for the runways where RC is not responding as you would expect and sent it with a description to JD for him to analyse.

 

You'll find the instructions in a pinned topic on this forum. You can terminate RC after you receive take-off clearance when airborne.

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Hi Both

               Before I contact JD I have had another look at a previous post from Ron where he details the LIRF data from his R5.csv file in his FS9 folder.

               Ron

                       I have checked the date/time in "properties of the two files you mention and they are the same.

                    I cannot seem to copy into here so I will try an Attachment to a PM with the LIRF

entries from my rcv4\data\r4.csv file.

 

Regards

 

David

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Hi Ron

                I cannot get any information to you via this site.......copy and paste does not work.......

                I'm stumped !

 

Regards

 

David 

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Ron

         As I am unable to get any info from my setup to you I have used the r5.csv entries you kindly uploaded.

I removed my LIRF entry from my FS9\r5.csv and replaced with yours.

          I will run a scenery rebuild.......test and let you know what happens.

 

regards

 

David 

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Hi again Ray and Ron

                                       I think I may have discovered what is going on with this airport....but I have no idea why,

 

                                       I notice from Ron's previous post he has six entries (6 active runways ?) for LIRF.

 

                                       I have 6 active runways in my LIRF AFCAD. (16C/34C is disabled   its a taxiway in the ISD LIRF scenery)

   

                                       But in my FS9\r5.csv I have  eight  rows for LIRF.

                                       

                                       I substituted Ron's six rows for my eight and ran MakeRwys again.......

                                      

                                       Result......the previous eight rows I started with.......

 

                                       Reason ( I believe)............. MakeRwys is not scanning my modified AFCAD  (six runways)

 

                                       Its scanning the default airport file ......AP951170.bgl   (eight runways some in different detailed locations)

                                      

                                        RC is working with some default   location information on some of the runways......hence the

 

problems I am encountering

                                                                                                                      

                                        To try and prove the wrong AFCAD is being scanned and given to RC I removed AP951170.bgl and

 

                                        ran MakeRwys again.

 

                                        No LIRF at all in the .csv files. (along with other airports and  runways which must also be in the AP file)

 

                                         I replaced the AP.... file,ran MakeRwys again and my FS9 .csv files are back to where they started from...... eight rows......some wrong details..

 

 

Comments and advice appreciated

 

Regards to both

 

David

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