Ekaton

Delete the anachronistic radios

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I've just bought the DC-6 for FSX and was quite shocked that there is no option in the menu to remove the anachronistic radios, which is very odd for me, considering that this is a vintage aircraft, not a modern one. Could someone please confirm that indeed you can't delete those?

 

If you can't make them disappear using the game's menu, is it perhaps possible to delete textures of those radios? I'd much prefer to have a black box with nothing on it than a Bendix radio. 

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10 minutes ago, Ekaton said:

I've just bought the DC-6 for FSX and was quite shocked that there is no option in the menu to remove the anachronistic radios, which is very odd for me, considering that this is a vintage aircraft, not a modern one. Could someone please confirm that indeed you can't delete those?

 

If you can't make them disappear using the game's menu, is it perhaps possible to delete textures of those radios? I'd much prefer to have a black box with nothing on it than a Bendix radio. 

No because the old radios would not receive or transmit VHF radio signals.

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Well, I don't really care about the radios as much as I care about keeping some accuracy and not having equipment such as this in my plane. 

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3 minutes ago, Ekaton said:

Well, I don't really care about the radios as much as I care about keeping some accuracy and not having equipment such as this in my plane. 

Considering the DC-6 is modelled exactly off a real aircraft (including those radios), I'd say it's pretty realistic.

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Well, almost all available liveries are from either the 1940s or 1950s, and yet it is not possible to have the interior feel realistic with modern Bendix radios. I am a huge fan of A2A's Stratocruiser and Constellation and while not 100% accurate, they don't force you to use modern radios. If I can't use vintage radios, I much prefer not to have them at all.

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Just now, Ekaton said:

Well, almost all available liveries are from either the 1940s or 1950s, and yet it is not possible to have the interior feel realistic with modern Bendix radios. I am a huge fan of A2A's Stratocruiser and Constellation and while not 100% accurate, they don't force you to use modern radios. If I can't use vintage radios, I much prefer not to have them at all.

PMDG aimed to accurately model the DC-6 aircraft that they had access to which is what they've done, although I'm sure every other flying DC-6 today will also have retrofit radios. What you have to remember is that the DC-6 was primarily created for PMDG's benefit for learning about developing in X-Plane, it was only made compatible with FSX/P3D through demand for it.

Plus, if they only gave you the old radios, someone at some point would kick up a stink about the fact that the old radios don't work and they shouldn't be forced to use the new radios.

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Just now, driver101 said:

There is an option to deactivate them.

I think you're thinking about deactivating the OLD radios. Emil wants to deactivate the NEW radios.

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I understand the PMDG reasoning behind all this, but why not include a completely vintage version even if that means that some things like radios won't work?

 

Anyway, since there is no way to delete the radio using the in-game menu, is it possible to somewhat swap textures and make it essentially a black box instead of a radio?

 

EDIT: or maybe a way to deactivate it using panel.cfg or sth.

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1 minute ago, Ekaton said:

I understand the PMDG reasoning behind all this, but why not include a completely vintage version even if that means that some things like radios won't work?

4 minutes ago, PMDG777 said:

Plus, if they only gave you the old radios, someone at some point would kick up a stink about the fact that the old radios don't work and they shouldn't be forced to use the new radios.

For this reason probably ^^.

1 minute ago, Ekaton said:

Anyway, since there is no way to delete the radio using the in-game menu, is it possible to somewhat swap textures and make it essentially a black box instead of a radio?

I doubt it since the radios are hard coded panels, so all the buttons and displays will remain. Just don't switch them on?

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8 minutes ago, PMDG777 said:

I think you're thinking about deactivating the OLD radios. Emil wants to deactivate the NEW radios.

Yep. Looks like I missed that :-(

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I certainly won't switch them on, but I hoped that there is a way for them to remain there, just blacked out or something, with replacement textures. 

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5 minutes ago, Ekaton said:

I certainly won't switch them on, but I hoped that there is a way for them to remain there, just blacked out or something, with replacement textures. 

As I said because they're coded models in the VC, it's not as simple as replacing textures. The screens, buttons and knobs will all be there.

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I see, it's a shame then. No way to do that through the panel config file either I guess?

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16 minutes ago, Ekaton said:

I see, it's a shame then. No way to do that through the panel config file either I guess?

Nope sorry

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13 minutes ago, Ekaton said:

I see, it's a shame then. No way to do that through the panel config file either I guess?

Nope.

We'll make sure to have them remove them from the real V5-NCG, too :wink:

Without those radios, you'd be essentially unable to fly anywhere. The old ones are not only a pain to operate, but also don't include a Mode-C transponder, so...while I appreciate the nostalgia of the idea, one must keep in mind that balance should be struck.

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2 minutes ago, scandinavian13 said:

Nope.

We'll make sure to have them remove them from the real V5-NCG, too :wink:

Without those radios, you'd be essentially unable to fly anywhere. The old ones are not only a pain to operate, but also don't include a Mode-C transponder, so...while I appreciate the nostalgia of the idea, one must keep in mind that balance should be struck.

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That is a remarkably clean flight deck for such an old aircraft. I've seen filthier 787s!

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9 minutes ago, PMDG777 said:

That's incredible, the owner must take good care of her (and polish that chrome daily!)

They did take rather good care of her, I think. There's a dedication to V5-NCG and Chris (the guy on the tug in the one pic) in the Intro. You may notice a memorial reference to him on our (strikingly similar to V5-NCG) livery as well.

EDIT: You can see it just above and behind the Douglas globe:

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Is there a way to get a refund on grounds like that? It really is a shame that this only comes with a modern cockpit when the plane is from the 1946.

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42 minutes ago, scandinavian13 said:

You should see the outside

Wow, that's mint. Talk about taking care of The Ole Lady!!

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15 minutes ago, DrStrangelove said:

Is there a way to get a refund on grounds like that? It really is a shame that this only comes with a modern cockpit when the plane is from the 1946.

No. Downloadable products are not refundable, and it's a little extreme to request a refund on those grounds even if they were. This plane is an exact replica of a currently flying vintage aircraft. I don't see what the issue is.

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2 minutes ago, scandinavian13 said:

No. Downloadable products are not refundable, and it's a little extreme to request a refund on those grounds even if they were. This plane is an exact replica of a currently flying vintage aircraft. I don't see what the issue is.

+++1

Since the release of this vintage aircraft, I have read so many posts on this not being right, that not being correct, or I'd like to see this or that. Where were all these posters before Beta stage, instead of expecting PMDG to change the final release?

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The product page lists the avionics that are supplied, so reading closely there is no mention about that a vintage avionics suite is included.

It´s a design decision, which we have to accept, and though I would have prefered a vintage avionics suite option, I can live with what we got.

But a realistic vintage avionics suite would have been possible.

It would probably not have been radios like those fitted when the DC-6B was build, but vintage 1960th Coms, Nav and radios could have been possible, had they decided to add them.

Even those allready being modelled, could have been "tweaked" to fit their purpose within P3D with the limitation we got there regarding available radio navigation aids and their frequency ranges.

But again... it´s a design decision that can live with.

 

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