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Hi guys - I posted about this issue a month back or so.  I continue to have random BSOD's  I have had them happen in P3Dv4, XP11 and also randomly while computer is idle.  Good news is that it is not sim specific!  I have not been able to pinpoint the cause.  I had added 2 new memory sticks before this all started so I removed them thinking that may be the cause but BSOD's still continue.  I also checked all of my drivers with Driver Booster and I did have some that needed updating but again...still getting BSOD's.  They are very random and I can go a week or 2 without one.  I flew about 10 hours in P3Dv4 without problems but I just had another this morning while in P3D.  I checked 'Blue Screen View' and it says caused by driver 'win32kfullsys+49b4b' and the Bug Check String said 'system_service_exception'  Other times it says it is caused by driver 'dxgkrnl.sys+197d28'.  Others have been reported as well, it is never consistent.  I also ran a memory test and no issues were reported. I think this also started after Windows Creator update but cannot be 100% sure. Thanks again for help or ideas!! I pasted my AppCrashView below. 

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DynamicSig[2].Name=Locale ID
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This BSOD means that an exception happened while executing a routine that transitions from non-privileged code to privileged code. BSOD error code 0x0000003B may also show "SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION" on the same blue screen.  See https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/debugger/bug-check-0x3b--system-service-exception

On page 8 of the AVSIM CTD Guide (BSOD's), if you downloaded the BSOD Report program as suggested, it will provide more information.  For each BSOD, you will see the drivers or more information about the hardware that caused the crash.  Very important information for individuals trying to debug.

Best regards,

Jim

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33 minutes ago, Jim Young said:

On page 8 of the AVSIM CTD Guide (BSOD's), if you downloaded the BSOD Report program as suggested, it will provide more information.  For each BSOD, you will see the drivers or more information about the hardware that caused the crash.  Very important information for individuals trying to debug.

Hi Jim - Thanks for the response.  This has been a frustrating problem!  I have run Blue Screen Viewer and here are the 2 entries that are in pink at the top...not sure this helps??

 

ntoskrnl.exe    ntoskrnl.exe+1778a9    fffff801`8a693000    fffff801`8af1c000    0x00889000    0x597fd80d    7/31/2017    9:23:25 PM      
win32kfull.sys    win32kfull.sys+49b4b    ffffe1cd`27800000    ffffe1cd`27b93000    0x00393000    0x02354c46     Microsoft® Windows® Operating System    Full/Desktop Win32k Kernel Driver    10.0.15063.540 (WinBuild.160101.0800)    Microsoft Corporation    C:\WINDOWS\system32\win32kfull.sys 

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Did you update your drivers using a program such as Driver Booster (the one I use) (see page 15, AVSIM CTD Guide)?  USB ports need to be updated, SATA controllers, sys bus, etc., as they fix bugs found that affect Windows 10 users.  Windows Update does not do this for all hardware and you have to go out and find the fixes yourself.  This error indicates it is a driver that is not working properly and corrupted the memory space throwing the BSOD.

Best regards,

Jim

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11 minutes ago, Jim Young said:

Did you update your drivers using a program such as Driver Booster (the one I use) (see page 15, AVSIM CTD Guide)?  USB ports need to be updated, SATA controllers, sys bus, etc., as they fix bugs found that affect Windows 10 users.  Windows Update does not do this for all hardware and you have to go out and find the fixes yourself.  This error indicates it is a driver that is not working properly and corrupted the memory space throwing the BSOD.

Best regards,

Jim

Hi Jim - Yes, I did use your recommendation of Driver Booster several weeks ago and I had about a dozen drivers that were out of date.  Those were all updated with no luck...:huh:

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Run System File Checker (page 14, AVSIM CTD Guide).  Although you have updated all of your drivers, the crash indicates a corrupted driver.  System File Checker will look for corrupted or missing files and fix them.

If that checks out okay, then I would run the Windows Repair utility (freeware) as described on page 24 of the CTD Guide (has a link to the repair tool).

The 'dxgkrnl.sys' is usually related to video card drivers.  I know you have updated the drivers but you might want to reinstall.  Go to C:\Nvidia\Display Drivers and right click the .exe program for the latest drivers and select install as admin.

Best regards,

Jim

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10 hours ago, Jim Young said:

Run System File Checker (page 14, AVSIM CTD Guide).  Although you have updated all of your drivers, the crash indicates a corrupted driver.  System File Checker will look for corrupted or missing files and fix them.

If that checks out okay, then I would run the Windows Repair utility (freeware) as described on page 24 of the CTD Guide (has a link to the repair tool).

The 'dxgkrnl.sys' is usually related to video card drivers.  I know you have updated the drivers but you might want to reinstall.  Go to C:\Nvidia\Display Drivers and right click the .exe program for the latest drivers and select install as admin.

Best regards,

Jim

Hi Jim - I ran the Driver Booster again and there were 2 drivers that I guess did not update last time. A USB driver and an Intel driver and I was able to update both of them. The System File Checker was clean.  I ran the Windows Repair Utility...I believe successfully?  It didn't really say what it fixed but seemed to run ok and restarted the system. I also did an uninstall and reinstall of my Nvidia driver.

That being done, I completed one 2.5 hour flight without issue. I did another flight immediately after which was another 2.5 hours and on very short final got the BSOD:angry:  This one showed it was caused by the 'ntoskrnl.exe' driver and caused by address ntoskrnl.exe+16c560 in BlueScreenView.  I have seen this one before...like I mentioned, the error tends to be different each time but some of the same ones keep popping up. 

 

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Was it the same bugcheck code - 0x3b?

Can you move whatever is plugged into your USB port to another USB port?

The fact it is crashing after 2.5 hours is significant.  What is the power for your power supply unit? 

The fact it is crashing near the end of the flight and not at the beginning of the flight is significant too.  The airport you are trying to land at.  Is it fully compatible with P3Dv4?  The airport is being called at the end of the flight and may be causing corruption in the memory.  The next time you try the flight, if it is an add-on, disable it.  Of course, all of your add-on airports have add-on.xml's created.  Right?  You don't have them just in your scenery.cfg.  Right?  Because the scenery.cfg is specially coded in V4 and, if you opened it up using SceneryConfigEditor, it will get corrupted and P3D will simply not load corrupted things.  This type of crash is remote as you got a BSOD and BSOD indicates you have a problem with your hardware (a driver, a port, HDD, SSD, Mouse, Throttle, etc.).  Still the ntoskrnl is responsible for various system services such as hardware virtualization, process and memory management, thus making it a fundamental part of the system. It contains the cache manager, the executive, the kernel, the security reference monitor, the memory manager, and the scheduler.  When it comes to memory management, if something is corrupted in the memory (like a corrupted file) it could cause the BSOD.

If you are overclocked, reset your overclock to the optimal defaults.

Best regards,

Jim

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25 minutes ago, Jim Young said:

Was it the same bugcheck code - 0x3b?

Can you move whatever is plugged into your USB port to another USB port?

The fact it is crashing after 2.5 hours is significant.  What is the power for your power supply unit? 

The fact it is crashing near the end of the flight and not at the beginning of the flight is significant too.  The airport you are trying to land at.  Is it fully compatible with P3Dv4?  The airport is being called at the end of the flight and may be causing corruption in the memory.  The next time you try the flight, if it is an add-on, disable it.  Of course, all of your add-on airports have add-on.xml's created.  Right?  You don't have them just in your scenery.cfg.  Right?  Because the scenery.cfg is specially coded in V4 and, if you opened it up using SceneryConfigEditor, it will get corrupted and P3D will simply not load corrupted things.  This type of crash is remote as you got a BSOD and BSOD indicates you have a problem with your hardware (a driver, a port, HDD, SSD, Mouse, Throttle, etc.).  Still the ntoskrnl is responsible for various system services such as hardware virtualization, process and memory management, thus making it a fundamental part of the system. It contains the cache manager, the executive, the kernel, the security reference monitor, the memory manager, and the scheduler.  When it comes to memory management, if something is corrupted in the memory (like a corrupted file) it could cause the BSOD.

If you are overclocked, reset your overclock to the optimal defaults.

Best regards,

Jim

Good morning Jim - The bug check code on this one was 0x00000139.  I have nearly all of the USB ports full...I have 5 in the back and 4 in the front.  I am using 7 of 9 ports and a 750w power supply.  All of my addons are V4 compliant and in fact this latest BSOD was on approach to a default airport. Like I had mentioned, I have had this happen in XP11 as well (I have not flown XP11 very much since P3Dv4 though) so I agree it seems more hardware or driver related than sim. These do seem hard to diagnose, too bad there isn't a more clear-cut way of identifying these crashes in Windows. I am overclocked....I may have to contact Jetline and see if they can help with any of this as I have never messed with overclocking myself. I did just swap out my 2 original sticks of 16gb RAM with 2 newer identical sticks just for kicks as I have seen some reports of bad RAM causing this. Will try a few more flights:huh:  Appreciate all your help and insight!! 

 

Eric

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A BSOD means there is something serious with your hardware and your computer shuts down to protect your computer system until the problem is fixed.  If a piece of hardware is not properly seated in the MB or a SATA drive not connected properly to a SATA controller, it could throw the BSOD.  It is not P3D or XP11 that is causing your BSOD other than there is a small possibility of memory corruption. 

An overclock, even if done by a computer expert, can cause a BSOD.  When the computer starts up you will see a logo and you should hit the Del key several times until the BIOS opens up.  After it opens, look for resetting the BIOS to optimal defaults or the default, save, and restart the computer.  The optimal default for your CPU should be 4.2GHz.  That should work until you can get ahold of Jetline.

I do not recall seeing whether you ran the Windows Memory Diagnostics.  Just click on the search bar in the lower left corner and type in memtest and then look up in the menu and click on Windows Memory Diagnostic.

Best regards,

Jim

 

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10 hours ago, Jim Young said:

I do not recall seeing whether you ran the Windows Memory Diagnostics.  Just click on the search bar in the lower left corner and type in memtest and then look up in the menu and click on Windows Memory Diagnostic.

Yup, I did run this with no problems being found.  I will continue troubleshooting and will certainly give an update here if and when I find the solution!!  Thanks!

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On 8/13/2017 at 9:06 PM, Flic1 said:

Yup, I did run this with no problems being found.  I will continue troubleshooting and will certainly give an update here if and when I find the solution!!  Thanks!

Eric,

Just checking to see if you found a solution.  I am now having the same issues you were having and I followed all my guidance above w/o success.  I upgraded my CPU and MB and then did a reset of my PC.  I removed my OC to diagnose.  Believe the problem is the old registry and the other CPU is the cause.  Looking at doing a reformat and clean install.  I can usually finish a flight if I reinstall the video card drivers before the flight.  But any subsequent flights there is a crash somewhere along the route.  It could be a BSOD or just a CTD.  The BSOD errors are different and never the same.  I do not like Windows reset as it keeps all of your settings for your old system.  Think when upgrading MB and CPU one needs to reinstall Windows.  I suspect that's what you did to fix your problems. 

Best regards,

Jim

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11 hours ago, Jim Young said:

Eric,

Just checking to see if you found a solution.  I am now having the same issues you were having and I followed all my guidance above w/o success.  I upgraded my CPU and MB and then did a reset of my PC.  I removed my OC to diagnose.  Believe the problem is the old registry and the other CPU is the cause.  Looking at doing a reformat and clean install.  I can usually finish a flight if I reinstall the video card drivers before the flight.  But any subsequent flights there is a crash somewhere along the route.  It could be a BSOD or just a CTD.  The BSOD errors are different and never the same.  I do not like Windows reset as it keeps all of your settings for your old system.  Think when upgrading MB and CPU one needs to reinstall Windows.  I suspect that's what you did to fix your problems. 

Best regards,

Jim

Hi Jim - My BSOD was due to an unstable overclock it appears.  I removed the OC completely and the problem was solved. I did eventually step it back up to 4.4 (was originally at 4.6) and it has been there ever since without a crash.  The only issue I have had lately is the DXGI_Device_Removed error but disabling Nvidia Inspector seems to have fixed that.  Sorry to hear about the problems but I'm sure you'll get it figured out!

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On 7/15/2018 at 8:53 AM, Flic1 said:

My BSOD was due to an unstable overclock it appears.  I removed the OC completely and the problem was solved.

An update.  I did not think it was an OCing issue with me.  My BIOS automatically overclocks all six cores to 5GHz and I had that for many flights without any problems.  I thought it had to be the installation of Windows 10 after installing a new MB and CPU.  After I upgraded the hardware, Windows wanted to do a fresh install (reset Windows).  I allowed it to do that but my video card drivers simply were not working well after that.  In fact, my video card drivers would install but disappear a day later and I would have to reinstall.  The directory where Nvidia puts all display drivers (C:\Nvidia\Display Drivers) would not place the program there as the folder would always be empty.  I turned off the OC and would still see random CTD's.  So I decided to have Windows delete everything on my drive and reinstall Windows 10.  This resulted in reinstalling P3D and all of my addons but so far it was worth it.  Now, the system seems to be working normally and I am getting 50-60 fps constantly from FSDT KLAX to FB KPHX with ASP4, UTLive, MSE AZ, and in the PMDG 777.  So far one flight completed without any issues.  Since the BSOD's were random, I cannot say for certain the issue is fixed but so far so good.  I hope the issue is solved for me as P3D never looked and operated so good!

Best regards,

Jim

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