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Runway problems with taxi maintenance window

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I've experienced a couple of problems trying to create new runways for CEN4, a Canadian airport from one of Orbx free airports scenery packs.

After importing the runways using the Import Scenery tab two runways appeared as seen below, except that the runways were not aligned with the satellite image. I moved the runways so they appear as seen.

05.17.2019-07.21.36

The first problem I have is that I cannot determine how to get the runways to appear under the Runways tab.

The second problem is that I cannot save changes using the "Save Changes" button or close this window. Trying to do either produces the following prompt.

05.17.2019-07.25.27

This makes it impossible to back out of the window to the main program, or even to close the program normally. Instead, I'll have to force the program closed using Task Manager.

Gil

Edited by GilYoder

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Posted (edited)

Sounds like it might be a bug.

I'll have a look and report back.

Thanks for the report.

Dave

Edited by Dave-Pilot2ATC

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Just pulled up CEN4 in TaxiMnt and the Runway Data for RW07/25 is visible and the default runway location is similar to what you describe.

I would recommend finding the Backup Taxiway txl file and loading it back in.  Importing the scenery file in this case will not change anything.

The North/South runway is not in the data, so it will not appear in the Runway Info window.

Dave

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Dave, where would I find Backup Taxiway.txl? I have a CEN4_Taxiways.txl in the Prepar3D v4 Files directory, but that's the only file there.

Gil

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I found the backup file and loaded it from the Save/Load tab. Now the airport looks like it looked when I started without any runways defined.

05.17.2019-16.45.42

There are no runways defined under the Runways tab either. Also I can't save changes, and I can't exit the window or the program normally.

Gil

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For what it's worth. Here is the backup file for CEN4. It seems to define runways and other data. I'm not sure what nothing shows up in the maintenance utility.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<ArrayOfSerializablePath xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance">
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        <Heading xsi:nil="true" />
        <PushbackType xsi:nil="true" />
        <ParkType>Ramp_GA</ParkType>
        <UserModified xsi:nil="true" />
        <Airport_Id>27800</Airport_Id>
        <Airport_ICAO>CEN4</Airport_ICAO>
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          <Longitude>-113.840881</Longitude>
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          <Longitude>-113.840858</Longitude>
        </Position>
      </SerializableTaxiPt>
    </TaxiPts>
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