The problem here is the windows insiders reported this issue some time ago but Microsoft still pushed it out on the 30th and at the moment most have not had it yet, Microsoft have now admitted it is an issue with Cortana using CPU resources.   

18 hours ago, vortex681 said:

The latest estimate for installed versions of Windows 10 is well over 800 million. Even if one million people have a problem after an update, that would be a tiny fraction of the total userbase and statistically insignificant.

Using your analogy:

But of that one million who may have the problem mostly likely reported the issue does not tell you who have not. It also does not tell you out the 800 million what percentage of Window users are “Enterprise, Professional or the home addition. Unless there changes to how Window 10 update are managed most home addition user are most vulnerable to any update changes unlike the Professional and Enterprise version whom mostly set controls to what update get loaded and when; along with certain feature disabled.

Also you have to keep in mind that there are many who bought their computers and did not sign up to be an IT analysis to support their machine. They may not know they have the problem or know where to look let alone care if performance is not their primary concern still does not mean they are not affected. Therefore it does not absolve Microsoft from their responsibility when it comes to Quality Control when releasing their update to whom are not as computer savvy as the rest. No matter how you slice it, it still would not be acceptable and rjfry post above made the case.

 

The same can be said about GPU drivers how many rollback due to a problem and do they bother to report this to Nvidia through the feedback hub, this why you often see bug fixes for games due gamers complaining on feedback, I do read the drivers report before installing and I have yet to see something about flight simulators, this may change when XBOX comes out next year gamers do complain if have a problem.

@BobFS88 - my posts were not specifically about KB4512941, but in response to your general comment that "people wonder why some of us would rather remain on Windows 7 and avoid Windows 10 like a plague". As I said above, I'm not denying that the updates cause some people problems, but no amount of quality control and testing is going to cover every possible hardware and software combination in the wild. What other product has an installed base even remotely close to Windows? According to analytics company Net Applications, in August this year Windows 10 was being used on the majority of all PCs (58%).

I just get irritated when people, many of whom have never even tried it, criticise Windows 10 based solely on complaints they read about it on the Internet (this may not apply to you as I have no idea if you've ever used Windows 10 or not). Name me any OS (or major piece of software, come to that) that's ever been released without subsequently needing fixes? Does this mean that everything we use has poor QA or is inadequately tested? Of the estimated 10 million Windows Insiders who effectively beta test OS updates (a tiny fraction of the total users worldwide), we have no idea how many of them flagged up the recent problem - it could have been few enough to make it insignificant. Only Microsoft knows. This perception that Microsoft happily releases updates knowing that they contain potentially serious problems that can affect everyone is, frankly, ridiculous.

Edited September 6, 20196 yr by vortex681

8 hours ago, vortex681 said:

@BobFS88 - my posts were not specifically about KB4512941, but in response to your general comment that "people wonder why some of us would rather remain on Windows 7 and avoid Windows 10 like a plague". As I said above, I'm not denying that the updates cause some people problems, but no amount of quality control and testing is going to cover every possible hardware and software combination in the wild. What other product has an installed base even remotely close to Windows? According to analytics company Net Applications, in August this year Windows 10 was being used on the majority of all PCs (58%).

I just get irritated when people, many of whom have never even tried it, criticise Windows 10 based solely on complaints they read about it on the Internet (this may not apply to you as I have no idea if you've ever used Windows 10 or not). Name me any OS (or major piece of software, come to that) that's ever been released without subsequently needing fixes? Does this mean that everything we use has poor QA or is inadequately tested? Of the estimated 10 million Windows Insiders who effectively beta test OS updates (a tiny fraction of the total users worldwide), we have no idea how many of them flagged up the recent problem - it could have been few enough to make it insignificant. Only Microsoft knows. This perception that Microsoft happily releases updates knowing that they contain potentially serious problems that can affect everyone is, frankly, ridiculous.

Just so you know I upgraded to windows as soon as it was released and both of my desktops run W10, but even Microsoft have admitted it is a problem and I expect they will fix it.

@vortex681

8 hours ago, vortex681 said:

my posts were not specifically about KB4512941, but in response to your general comment that "people wonder why some of us would rather remain on Windows 7 and avoid Windows 10 like a plague".

Because they are some people like myself who don’t what the hassle. The central issue to calling out for how they handle KB4512941 is just one of them. One day we may not have a choice but to use Windows 10, for various reason, its just we don’t have to volunteer in joining in now.

8 hours ago, vortex681 said:

but no amount of quality control and testing is going to cover every possible hardware and software combination in the wild.

Your right.

But we’re not taking about ever hardware and software combination but the software they support in their OS that was affected and choose to ignore the issue until a compelling case was made to get them to look and finally admit there was a problem, unless you think that’s ok.

 

8 hours ago, vortex681 said:

What other product has an installed base even remotely close to Windows? 

How about Mac for grins. You may not agree and laugh at that answer but it doesn't mean it doesn't count when it part of what help Apple stock sore well past Microsoft for years while they extended that same system in their phones. Sure, they are not as large as the Windows base installation, we already know that. However, don’t let that small installation base fool you. Many choose Apple or Linux for a reason and not just because they didn’t know better.

8 hours ago, vortex681 said:

According to analytics company Net Applications, in August this year Windows 10 was being used on the majority of all PCs (58%).

To me that appears to the very low consider that 42% are not using it should tell you something. But don’t let numbers fool you, it doesn’t tell you what they think about it nor if they even had a choice.

8 hours ago, vortex681 said:

I just get irritated when people, many of whom have never even tried it, criticise Windows 10 based solely on complaints they read about it on the Internet (this may not apply to you as I have no idea if you've ever used Windows 10 or not).

It is not inconceivable for anyone who wants to wait until many issues with a new OS is vetted out, business do it all the time. No one just jumps into OS head first without taking into account what change that have to be made and what maintenance that have to be consider along with the apps. It a matter of when one who feel when is the right time to make that plunges and how they want to manages the added issues.  

8 hours ago, vortex681 said:

Name me any OS (or major piece of software, come to that) that's ever been released without subsequently needing fixes?

That is easy question to ask anyone one when you want to over look a lack of urgency on their part which the answer is none but that is beside the point. The Window insider program is a tool for helping them vet out those issue and is only as good as information used in helping them from such poor releases.

 

8 hours ago, vortex681 said:

Does this mean that everything we use has poor QA or is inadequately tested?

That depends on who’s doing the testing, because it varies to a degree. In rjfry post show Nvidia roll back their drivers due to problems instead of leaving it out there. Are you saying that Microsoft couldn’t do that?

8 hours ago, vortex681 said:

This perception that Microsoft happily releases updates knowing that they contain potentially serious problems that can affect everyone is, frankly, ridiculous.

No it is not that they “ happily releases updates knowing that they contain potentially serious problems that can affect everyone” but that they thought that they could sweep the problem under the rug and hope no one would notices until someone called them out on it.

 

 

 

I am a member of windows central were most windows insiders hang out and Microsoft monitor and interact with, and was an insider for widows mobile on a spare phone, the insiders reported this before release but the solution if it affects you is uninstall KB4512941 for the time being, Microsoft will fix the problem. 

@BobFS88 I'm not trying to convince you to change - it seems clear that you've made up your mind anyway. I'm just looking at things from a satisfied Windows 10 user's point of view. Not every W10 bug affects everyone. As I said earlier, I have yet to have a single problem with a W10 update and I consider myself an experienced user (I was a network administrator for some years). None of the problems I've read about online have affected me - I always check for them just in case! Perhaps I'm just lucky with my hardware, software and driver mix. As long as you follow a couple of simple rules, your chances of a hassle-free time are significantly increased: don't allow Windows to install driver updates (an easy setting change) and don't search for updates, just wait for them to be offered. MS have said in the past that updates will only be offered when they're considered to be compatible with your system.

15 hours ago, BobFS88 said:

No it is not that they “ happily releases updates knowing that they contain potentially serious problems that can affect everyone” but that they thought that they could sweep the problem under the rug and hope no one would notices until someone called them out on it.

Really? It would be simple for MS to just remove or delay the offending part of the update to avoid any issues or bad press. I'm in no way an apologist for them, but like many others you seems to be portraying them as some evil, uncaring organisation that deliberately forces bugs onto our systems. Why would they do that? They'd quickly be caught out by the millions of IT professional worldwide. The litigation from businesses that would descend upon them if they were caught knowingly putting out damaging updates would cost them a fortune. If they genuinely didn't care, why would they issue updates at all?

As you said, there are alternative operating systems out there but most people seem to be happier just complaining about Windows. However, the grass is not always greener on the other side. My daughter has a Mac and they're not nearly as perfect and bug-free as they're portrayed as being. After the latest MacOS update, her system is virtually unusable. See this for an example: https://macpaw.com/how-to/fix-macos-mojave-problems - and that's with an ecosystem in which Apple have such tight control over the hardware and software and yet bugs still slip through.

I'm happy with Windows 10 and you're happy with Windows 7. Let's just leave it at that.

 

Edited September 7, 20196 yr by vortex681

1 hour ago, vortex681 said:

I'm happy with Windows 10 and you're happy with Windows 7. Let's just leave it at that.

Fair enough

Have a good one.

All you have to hope is that developers don't drop support for W7 hardware manufactures are starting to do that it reduces cost, why spend money next year testing for something that no longer exist.

4 hours ago, rjfry said:

All you have to hope is that developers don't drop support for W7 hardware manufactures are starting to do that it reduces cost, why spend money next year testing for something that no longer exist.

Absolutely.    I have been down this road before with XP in the same way and use whatever apps worked and not upgrade those that didn't until at such time was able to move to 7. So I am keeping my eyes open for that, until then things are working just fine for now. But if there is something I really need in short order or the time to upgraded will run out where it will benefit me to do so, then I will make that decision then.

Bob 

 

1 hour ago, BobFS88 said:

Absolutely.    I have been down this road before with XP in the same way and use whatever apps worked and not upgrade those that didn't until at such time was able to move to 7. So I am keeping my eyes open for that, until then things are working just fine for now. But if there is something I really need in short order or the time to upgraded will run out where it will benefit me to do so, then I will make that decision then.

Bob 

 

Yes and MSFS will only run on W10 to use the new UI you will have to hope the other sims don't do the same to get the benefit on new tech, but stay on old tech. 

On 9/8/2019 at 11:25 AM, rjfry said:

Yes and MSFS will only run on W10 to use the new UI you will have to hope the other sims don't do the same to get the benefit on new tech, but stay on old tech. 

For what ever its worth, I just ran across this resent video of an explanation as to what is going on with why you may be seeing more issue than usual with Win 10. You may or may not have seem him. However I have seen him before on other videos, but what he says related to some the recent issues, make a lot of sense and would follow his recommendation which I already do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9kn8_oztsA

Bob

 

Edited September 19, 20196 yr by BobFS88