January 23, 200620 yr From a Dash-7 video, I took this screenshot. I wonder what those two yellow balls are for. Anyone is willing to tell me? Jozef K. http://homepages.onsnet.nu/~jkusters/signature.jpghttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/139821.jpg
January 23, 200620 yr I believe they are used to ensure the pilot's seat is at the right height. It makes sure that anyone flying the plane is viewing the instruments from the same eye level.BlairCYOW
January 23, 200620 yr Yes, it's a seating level...you want to move your seat up/down until you see all three balls in a straight line. But it's more for outside visual references...ensures your seating height (and therefore your visual picture) is consistent from one flight to the next.The only instrument that comes to mind which relies on a fixed seating height and viewing angle is a HUD.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
January 23, 200620 yr Thank you gentlemen for your explanation. Now that you mention THREE balls, I see the one in the middle too. At first I did not notice the third (black) one.Jozef K. http://homepages.onsnet.nu/~jkusters/signature.jpg
January 23, 200620 yr >...you want to move your seat up/down until you see all three balls in >a straight line. >>Cheers>>Bob Scott>ATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300>Santiago de ChileNot to nit-pick, but the pilot would line up the black ball with the right yellow ball and the co-pilot would line up the black ball with the left yellow ball. Minor difference between lining up all 3, but there is a difference in seat height depending on which way you do it.
January 24, 200620 yr Not to nit-pick your non-nit-pick, but we use this sort of indicator in the G-IV and G-V, and you do line up all three...there's actually a white line through the center of the balls on the Gulfstreams. Either way, though, you'd get a nice consistent seat position...CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
January 24, 200620 yr During my CRJ-200 sim training we were told to use the opposite ball. I guess its different SOPs for different companies. But yes, you're right, as long as you do it the same way every time, you'll always be sitting in the same exact position, which makes a huge difference especially during the roundout and flare of the landing. If you're lucky enough to take lessons in a Cessna or Piper with height adjustable seats, make sure you set them the same way each time. You'll notice a drastic improvement over time if you do so. It's easy for me, being 6'2", to get it the same each time...drop it all the way down and crank it up just the slightest.
January 25, 200620 yr Author Not to nit-pick all the nit-picking, but it has nothing to do with SOP, but rather the design of the device. It sounds like the CRJ's version is similar to the Dash 7's pictured here in that the two side balls are canted forwards, so that each pilot would have to align the aft middle ball with the opposite side ball. On an ERJ, the design is opposite in that the two side balls are canted aft, away from the windshield frame, so that each pilot lines up the closer ball with the center ball for proper seat height. On a Gulfsteam, it sounds as though the geometry of the device is nothing like what is pictured and discussed here since wk6d says you line up three balls, which would be impossible on the CRJ's, Dash 7's and ERJ's devices.
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