I have a little problem with the Assigned Axis pane in AAO. The tree view isn't displaying correctly. This can be illustrated best with pictures. The first shows names that I have given to the assignments, and the second shows the tree view along with the problems I'm noticing.

Notices the Flight Controls and Throttle Quad groups in the above screen shot. Now look at the resulting tree view.

Note in the second screen shot that "Flight Controls are not grouped together, and that "Throttle Quad" is completely missing from the tree.

This is in version 2.26 b04 - MSFS.

Edited March 1, 20224 yr by GilYoder

OK, thanks. I will put it on the list for the next version.

Is it possible to assign a reverse thrust lever as an axis to modulate the full range up/down versus just a button?

1 hour ago, LRBS said:

Is it possible to assign a reverse thrust lever as an axis to modulate the full range up/down versus just a button?

Depends on how it has been implemented in the aircraft. Theoretically yes, but it is inconvenient to handle when you only have one lever (unless you have a physical detent of some sort). In some/most/many planes the reverse thrust is controlled with either the axis value or the event value going below 0 (I've often seen event values between 0 and -4096 for reverse). But there is no silver bullet, you need to test this for every aircraft. The developer can just as well decide that his engines go into reverse at any other point of the range(s), or not at all, and reverse is only triggered by the "fast repeat F2" trick.

2 hours ago, Lorby_SI said:

Depends on how it has been implemented in the aircraft. Theoretically yes, but it is inconvenient to handle when you only have one lever (unless you have a physical detent of some sort). In some/most/many planes the reverse thrust is controlled with either the axis value or the event value going below 0 (I've often seen event values between 0 and -4096 for reverse). But there is no silver bullet, you need to test this for every aircraft. The developer can just as well decide that his engines go into reverse at any other point of the range(s), or not at all, and reverse is only triggered by the "fast repeat F2" trick.

I understand what you saying and agree.

Let's try this, and to be noted, I'm not looking for a disagreement.

First, this trick fast repeats F2 it's not realistic at all for someone who has a throttle quadrant with multiple levers. As an example, there are throttle quadrants that have 4 levers (axes) and the other 4 axes for reversers where we should be able to assign those last 4 as to modulate the amount of how much reverse we want to use proportional with lever movement as you mentioned values between 0 and -4096. Similar to what FSUPIC has or how we can set in P3D for reversers. I think that it would be a great function.

My issue with MSFS is that they didn't bother to have axes for reversers and this is where you can improve our experience.

Just a sought, thank you. 

7 hours ago, LRBS said:

My issue with MSFS is that they didn't bother to have axes for reversers and this is where you can improve our experience.

AAO cannot magically create an axis when there is none simulated in the aircraft. If the developer of the plane wants to give you a "fully articulated" reverser, they can. There is always a way to do that, regardless if MSFS has an extra axis for it or not. It was done in FSX too, and that sim didn't have an extra axis either - only P3D has those. And if there is "something" to properly control the reverse thrust, then you can also actuate it with AAO.

Edited March 2, 20224 yr by Lorby_SI

6 hours ago, Lorby_SI said:

 And if there is "something" to properly control the reverse thrust, then you can also actuate it with AAO.

I'm sorry to bother, I can't see any engine throttle reverser axis on AAO. I do like the software (lots of good stuff) but can't figure out this one.

Thank you.

16 minutes ago, LRBS said:

I'm sorry to bother, I can't see any engine throttle reverser axis on AAO. I do like the software (lots of good stuff) but can't figure out this one.

Thank you.

What aircraft are you trying to configure? I may be able to help if you are flying MSFS.

17 minutes ago, GilYoder said:

What aircraft are you trying to configure? I may be able to help if you are flying MSFS.

Thank you. As an example 787 or 747 on MSFS. I have FSUPIC and I can do it without any issues but I would like to do it with AAO, it does have certain options that I like more.

 

1 hour ago, LRBS said:

I'm sorry to bother, I can't see any engine throttle reverser axis on AAO.

As I tried to explain, there is none, because there is none in the simulators' API. I didn't bother with "faking" one, because that would be different for all non-default aircraft anyway (=it would only work for a small group of airplanes but not for most of the others. So what would be the point). But there is always a way to implement non-existing or non-standard features if you know what the aircraft in the sim expects you to do. It may be as simple as setting Axis Min and Max correctly on two separate assignments to the same event, or by creating RPN scripts.

What I don't understand is what controller you are using? Is that a special high end TQ that has actual axis for reversers?

EDIT:
OK, so just for argument's sakes I have configured two separate TQ axis for throttle 1 in the MSFS 747. One controls the thrust, and the other controls the reversers (yes, as an axis).

1. I created an assignment to the "Throttle 1" axis variable and bound it to the first lever on a Saitek TQ. I had to reverse it. Then I doubleclicked the new assignment and changed "Axis Min" to "0", left "Axis Max" at "1". Saved. Then I pulled the red triangle all the way to the left and created a dead zone with the mouse wheel, to make sure that the variable it is really 0 when the lever is in this area. Now the first lever only controls thrust, it doesn't go into reverse anymore.

2. Then I created another assignment, also to the "Throttle 1" axis variable, bound it to the second lever on the TQ. I didn't reverse it, but I changed "Axis Min" to -0.25 and "Axis Max" to "0". Then I pulled the red triangle to the right and created a dead zone with the mouse wheel, to make sure that the variable it is really 0 when the lever is in this area. 

Now I can control the thrust with one lever, and the reverser with the other  - but of course not at the same time. Dead zones may be needed on both if you have noisy potentiometers like I do.

BUT - this will probably be totally different with another plane. It may require different events, and different values. I didn't expect the 747 to react to the throttle variables, most of the MSFS planes don't do that. But here we are.

Edited March 2, 20224 yr by Lorby_SI

39 minutes ago, Lorby_SI said:

As I tried to explain, there is none, because there is none in the simulators' API. I didn't bother with "faking" one, because that would be different for all non-default aircraft anyway (=it would only work for a small group of airplanes but not for most of the others. So what would be the point). But there is always a way to implement non-existing or non-standard features if you know what the aircraft in the sim expects you to do. It may be as simple as setting Axis Min and Max correctly on two separate assignments to the same event, or by creating RPN scripts.

What I don't understand is what controller you are using? Is that a special high end TQ that has actual axis for reversers?

EDIT:
OK, so just for argument's sakes I have configured two separate TQ axis for throttle 1 in the MSFS 747. One controls the thrust, and the other controls the reversers (yes, as an axis).

1. I created an assignment to the "Throttle 1" axis variable and bound it to the first lever on a Saitek TQ. I had to reverse it. Then I doubleclicked the new assignment and changed "Axis Min" to "0", left "Axis Max" at "1". Saved. Then I pulled the red triangle all the way to the left and created a dead zone with the mouse wheel, to make sure that the variable it is really 0 when the lever is in this area. Now the first lever only controls thrust, it doesn't go into reverse anymore.

2. Then I created another assignment, also to the "Throttle 1" axis variable, bound it to the second lever on the TQ. I didn't reverse it, but I changed "Axis Min" to -0.25 and "Axis Max" to "0". Then I pulled the red triangle to the right and created a dead zone with the mouse wheel, to make sure that the variable it is really 0 when the lever is in this area. 

Now I can control the thrust with one lever, and the reverser with the other  - but of course not at the same time. Dead zones may be needed on both if you have noisy potentiometers like I do.

BUT - this will probably be totally different with another plane. It may require different events, and different values. I didn't expect the 747 to react to the throttle variables, most of the MSFS planes don't do that. But here we are.

Thank you so much. I will give a try. Again, I do appreciate your dedication and understanding. You are one of the very few developers that constantly help customers and don't snap back to silly questions.

I gave this a try and came up with a little success, but I'm not sure how reliable it would be. I created the following bindings for the Asobo 787-10 just for the first throttle.

This is for the normal forward thrust and works as expected.

For the reverse thrust I configured a second lever in this way:

When this lever is activated, the reverse thrust lever in the VC moves.

It seems a little glitchy though. At one point in my testing, AAO seemed to disconnect from the sim, although it said it was connected, and the levers had no effect, When I reopened the event viewer though, it started working again. I'm not sure what that was about.

39 minutes ago, GilYoder said:

Asobo 787-10 just for the first throttle.

Strange. In my default MSFS 787, the setup is exactly the same as I've shown above for the 747. I cannot use the throttle events, for me they don't go into reverse at all. +16K is full forward, "0" is in the middle of the TQ, and -16K is idle.

Edited March 2, 20224 yr by Lorby_SI