Hi all

I have a very old set of Saitek (now Logitech) yoke, throttle and pedal system which has always worked well over the 20 years or so I have had it. I had a complete PC refurb this year to use MSFS and now my yoke system keeps switching off mid flight. It works for a short while then suddenly I have no yoke.

I have read numerous threads about this and almost all speak of the need to have a powered USB hub feeding the yoke system. I have never needed one before for all those years.

Just to test the problem out I tried unplugging the throttle quadrant from the yoke usb internal hub (my yoke system is a very original Saitek one with a circular multi pin throttle quadrant going into the rear of the yoke so no usb I can plug into the pc separately) and plugging the pedals direct into the PC. The result was the same - just having the yoke alone into the PC it still cuts out continuously. 

Of course the first thing I thought of was "time for a new yoke and throttle system" but having read about the powered hubs, even though this wasn't needed before, I am wondering if that is now the problem. 

I have naturally tried changing to all the different usb outlets on my PC and done the usual driver updates, etc, 

Even if I have to buy a new yoke and throttle system are they now saying this needs a powered usb hub to operate properly?

Any advice gratefully received as always.

Tony

Happy Weekend! Well, there is or was a windows setting that controls USB power. They would power down to save power after a while so you could set it to stay powered constantly. On the other hand, if I was you, I would upgrade. Yes, I know that move can be expensive, but stick with me. I exclusively use Saitek yokes, but never settled with the feel of them. I would fly a real world jet and then fly the saitek and it felt so loose. First I bought the PFC yoke, but it was 500 big ones. It was the best move I made because it brought me closer to the feel I get real world. Just recently I couldn't resist and bought the thrustmaster TCA yoke and throttles. I love the yoke, but the throttles are ok. I hate you can't buy additional throttle headers so I can use it as a three throttle setup for my 3 holers. I highly advise it. My PCF yoke is up in my man cave closet collecting dust right now. In fact, if you are ready to move, I'll sell it to ya on the low. Just message me.

Rick

 

Hi Rick

Thanks for the reply.

1 hour ago, G550flyer said:

Happy Weekend! Well, there is or was a windows setting that controls USB power. They would power down to save power after a while so you could set it to stay powered constantly. On the other hand, if I was you, I would upgrade. Yes, I know that move can be expensive, but stick with me. I exclusively use Saitek yokes, but never settled with the feel of them. I would fly a real world jet and then fly the saitek and it felt so loose. First I bought the PFC yoke, but it was 500 big ones. It was the best move I made because it brought me closer to the feel I get real world. Just recently I couldn't resist and bought the thrustmaster TCA yoke and throttles. I love the yoke, but the throttles are ok. I hate you can't buy additional throttle headers so I can use it as a three throttle setup for my 3 holers. I highly advise it. My PCF yoke is up in my man cave closet collecting dust right now. In fact, if you are ready to move, I'll sell it to ya on the low. Just message me.

Rick

I actually have the Thrustmaster Airbus side stick and throttle quadrant but only use it for flying the Airbus for reality sake. Is this the one you refer to using yourself? 

Tony

1 hour ago, G550flyer said:

Happy Weekend! Well, there is or was a windows setting that controls USB power. They would power down to save power after a while so you could set it to stay powered constantly. On the other hand, if I was you, I would upgrade. Yes, I know that move can be expensive, but stick with me. I exclusively use Saitek yokes, but never settled with the feel of them. I would fly a real world jet and then fly the saitek and it felt so loose. First I bought the PFC yoke, but it was 500 big ones. It was the best move I made because it brought me closer to the feel I get real world. Just recently I couldn't resist and bought the thrustmaster TCA yoke and throttles. I love the yoke, but the throttles are ok. I hate you can't buy additional throttle headers so I can use it as a three throttle setup for my 3 holers. I highly advise it. My PCF yoke is up in my man cave closet collecting dust right now. In fact, if you are ready to move, I'll sell it to ya on the low. Just message me.

Rick

Rick

My apologies I see now that there is a TCA yoke and throttle. Blimey what a price!!!!

Tony

Edited September 16, 20223 yr by Tony C

27 minutes ago, Tony C said:

Rick

My apologies I see now that there is a TCA yoke and throttle. 

Tony

Yep. I'll tell ya, I have the thrustmaster warthog stick and throttles specifically for my DCS combat sim. I also use it for airbus aircraft in my flight sims. You run out of space quick. I had to buy a new desk to compliment the Boeing TCA yoke. I have the yoke at the center and bought a throttle mount and keep it close to center. To the left of my yoke is my mounted thrustmaster warthog throttles. To the right of my Boeing throttles is my mounted warthog stick. Looks interesting, but works out well. In DCS, I only fly in VR so I never look at the setup. My warthog controls are set that I can naturally sit relaxed and have my hands on the stick and throttles comfortably. 

On 9/16/2022 at 11:49 AM, Tony C said:

I had a complete PC refurb this year to use MSFS and now my yoke system keeps switching off mid flight. It works for a short while then suddenly I have no yoke.

This is a classic case of USB Power Management being enabled. After a period of time with no inputs the OS will put the devices to sleep.

G550flyer mentioned this but you didn’t respond. Open Device Manager and examine the properties of USB hubs and ensure the option is disabled on the Power Management tab.

On 9/23/2022 at 1:24 PM, Ray Proudfoot said:

This is a classic case of USB Power Management being enabled. After a period of time with no inputs the OS will put the devices to sleep.

G550flyer mentioned this but you didn’t respond. Open Device Manager and examine the properties of USB hubs and ensure the option is disabled on the Power Management tab.

Apologies if I didn't respond to this. I thought I had! I had already ensured the USB hubs were constantly powered before even posting here along with several known remedies for this problem.

In actual fact after much testing and collaboration with Logitech all "fixes" were exhausted and I had to accept that the 20+ year old yoke and throttles were dying of old age.

I am awaiting my new set to be delivered over the next few days.

Thanks anyway all for the help as always.

Tony

5 minutes ago, Tony C said:

In actual fact after much testing and collaboration with Logitech all "fixes" were exhausted and I had to accept that the 20+ year old yoke and throttles were dying of old age.

I am awaiting my new set to be delivered over the next few days.

No worries. I lost patience with my Saitek yoke with its limited travel a couple of years ago. I bought a Fulcrum One which is superb albeit more expensive.

Hopefully not too late:

Older Saitek/Logitech controllers often will not work with USB ports higher than 2.0. 

Edited October 16, 20223 yr by Masterius