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CitationX and VISTA

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Initially there was a warning on the Wilco (CitationX) website that there may be some problems running CitationX with VISTA, subsequently the warning language on the website disappeared.I'm running FSX in VISTA Ultimate, purchased the boxed CD version of CitationX. My problems are the plane loads but none of the buttons work in the instrument panels. The FAQ at the Wilco website says to download and install VS2005 from FSInsider, however I did not load VS2005 because the documentation does not mention that it runs on VISTA.I've posted a message to the Wico/FeelThere support page, however a comment on their forum says that they're all on vaction till the end of July. Has anyone got CitationX to run properly with VISTA?If so, what do I need to do to make the buttons on the instrument panel(s) function? Presently they do nothing for me.

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I dont know anything about Wilco's product and your problem - but there is persistent mis-understanding about what exactly from VS we have on FSInsider and what it is supposed to do. So let me try one more time, as I did mention this on my blog back in Feb or so.What from VS is on FSInsider:We have the redistributable package from the VS 2005 Service Pack 1 release. Not the development environment. The redistributables. When you use VS to build your application you end up using some runtime components - these are called the redistributables. Mainly the C-Runtime-Library.We do not have "VS" the development environment on FSInsider. Just the redist.Why one would need these "redist" bits:If a 3rd party developer uses VS 2005, installs VS 2005 SP1 on their developer machine, and doesnt take care when building their add-on - voila they have a new dependency. That means the 3rd party developer now needs to add the VS 2005 SP1 redist bits to their install or else the add-on does not work properly. Symptoms of this are the add-on not loading.FSX itself, and FSX-SP1, does not have this dependency. We noticed this issue when a developer sent us their add-on for help and advice. The add-on didnt run on our developers machine, we investigated, found this out, I blogged about it, and we planted the bits on FSInsider in case a 3rd party developer doesnt do the right thing and install this for you. Any product should always install all the bits required for correct operation. If it doesnt, it is relying on luck to work.Back to your problem - I dont know the answer. I just felt it was important that people understand the underlying problem and the purpose of that link on FSInsider.

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Scoob, I didn't post on the Wilco Forum, I posted directly from the Wilco Citation X Customer support page. When You go to that page, a form opens for you to enter the installation code for the software, information about your computer system, followed by a description of your problem. I completed that form and clicked-on the submit button. Later I visted the Wilco support forum and saw a posting that Wilco/FeelThere personnel will be on vacation till the end of July; seeing that I did not feel that making an entry on the forum would give me any near immediate reply.I still somewhat curious if any had pruchased Citation X and have it running sucessfully on a VISTA system.

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I purchased it about a month and half ago and have not been able to successfully operate it yet. I contacted Wilco and their response was that they do not support Visa. I'm using Vista Ultimate 64. i have uninstalled which requires more than the normal uninstall procedure.WilbertAbit AW9D-MaxThermaltake W0106 700W PSUIntel QX6700 QuadcoreVista Ultimate 644x1G Ballistix Tracer (PC2 8000)2x150GB SATA WD Raptor - Non Raid2x320GB SATA WD SE16 - Non Raid2x IDE Light-On DVDRW 165H65BFG 8800GTX OC2 768MB 626MHz Core Clock3x SILENX 120X25MM FANS + 2x 10in XCLIO Wind Tunnel Case FansDanger Den Water CoolingEnermax temp/fan controller

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Thanks for the response Wilbert, I've got VISTA Ultimate 32. Another closer look at Wilco's website for Citation X says this:Minimum Requirements:Microsoft Flight Simulator X or 2004 - Pentium IV - 1.4 GHz - 256MB RAM - 32Mb Graphics - Windows XP (32Bit) - 380 Mb disk space.Some problems have been reported on Vista. We are currently working on this issue.I'll check back with Wilco to see how they're coming along on their plan for upgrading their addon to run on VISTA.

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>Thanks for the response Wilbert, I've got VISTA Ultimate 32. >>Another closer look at Wilco's website for Citation X says>this:>>Minimum Requirements:>Microsoft Flight Simulator X or 2004 - Pentium IV - 1.4 GHz ->256MB RAM - 32Mb Graphics - Windows XP (32Bit) - 380 Mb disk>space.>Some problems have been reported on Vista. We are currently>working on this issue.>>I'll check back with Wilco to see how they're coming along on>their plan for upgrading their addon to run on VISTA.>I have the CitationX running in FSX (SP1) on Vista Ultimate 32, and it works well. No issues with inoperative buttons. The only Vista-related issue I do have with the FeelThere aircraft comes when trying to end the FS session. Closing FS in Vista with a FeelThere aircraft loaded, (or trying to switch to a non-FeelThere aircraft) causes FSX to abort with a "Flight Simulator X has encountered a problem and needs to close" message. In every case, examining the "technical details" of the error report shows a problem with the FeelThere custom DLL or custom gauge associated with the aircraft.Evidently there is something in the DLL coding that prevents it from cleanly unloading from memory when running under Vista. This happens with all FeelThere aircraft which have been ported to FSX i.e. the Legacy, 737-300/400/500. Airbus and Citation X.Not at all sure why the Citation works on some Vista-based FSX systems and not on others.Jim Barrett

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