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All,You may agree that I am pretty tolerable of a little back and forth in this forum between "the sims", as long as the AVSim guidelines are met.I mean, without Larry, the Fly! forum would only have half as many posts, right? ;-)But don't think for a minute that I will let any childish bickering take place here, no matter who it is.http://www.thesalters.org/images/Avsim_sig_KS.jpg

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Ken,Trolling, I don't think I've heard or thought of that since I went Deep Sea fishing when I was a teenager.Thank you Ken for locking the other thread, in order to prevent any retailitory work from other forums. That was very considerate, and yes, I care. :)

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KenThanks for protecting the dignity and maturity of this forum. There are many who have something to say, while a few have to say something. The helpful exhange of information about FLY!II is the focus of this forum, that is why I come here and appreciate all the informed persons who contribute to our common knowledge of the subject at hand. The other important component to this forum is its spirit, yes, it does have one, that's what we appreciate about any place, its good character. Most times, this character is affected positively by various factors and needlessly by personal negativity.Time to come down from the pulpit now and get back into the cockpit! :-lolThanks for your good moderation Ken.Grant

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I agree 100% with Grant.As a happy user and developer for both fly and msfs2002, I always thought that enthusiasm for flying and flighsimming comes first.Although they are quite controversial and rating stars of the discussion forums, the agressive debates on "my product is better than yours" are becoming annoying and unbearable.Fly forums have always been outstanding with dignity and maturity as Grant said. Many thanks Ken for your friendly , careful and good moderation.Biber

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Thanks Grant, I agree fully with your post. I do believe that maturity is a big factor in the my sim is better than yours bantering. Captain Bob, please give it a rest (I know, you don

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I agree to a point, except that I think Fly! stinks and that Richard Harvey guy is nothing but a trouble-maker. Though I have to say, Fly!'s panels sure do beat the heck out of the panels that Wings of Fury has -- that lame product only uses 2 colors on the panel, and you'd think it was only running at like 180x120 pixel resolution.(Ooops, am I using my inside voice on the outside again???)In all seriousness -- we should all be participating here for our love of aviation and aircraft. While Corvette and Viper owners may argue with one another on specs, in most cases they all have a desire for muscle cars with beefy engines and Z rated tires. Just because you might like red over black, or V-8 over V-10, or hardtop vs. convertible, is no reason to be critical of your neighbor for having their own preference. I've said before, life would be pretty darn boring if everyone you knew liked exactly what you liked, and we all owned the same cookie-cutter home with the same furniture and same clothes and 2.3 kids.Rich

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50. "Holy Cow!!!"In response to message #49Youre right, Rich! This stuff really gets on my nerves..This is what i posted on the 'other' forum: (thread now locked)--------------------------------------------------------------- ... my goodness!! Don't people have other problems than to debate if it's appropriate to post something froman other sim here??Isnt't it nice to have a look over the fence, to see what other things are going on in the flightsim-world??When i'm over in the Fly forum, i really dont have a problem with reading things about MSFS there.. Where's the problem????I for myself use both Sims (Good Lord forgive me, i am a Fly user too..), and i enjoy both!I agree with the poster who said we are a flightsim-family. I doesn't matter which Sim we use, we all have one thing in common, and this is the love to fly. So the whole debate here is nonsens!And.. before someone jumps in here, and complains that my grammar is not right... i'm sorry, i'm german.. Hugg each other and stop this nonsense! Let's enjoy our MSFS, Fly!, PSS Airbus, our PMDG B7x7, our x-plane or whatever!Cheers,Michael

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I Completely agree with you Michael. Your about the only one that has even remotely said anything positive about my post. I feel like poor Mike Stone.:(

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so i guess you learned your lesson :-)Just thinking the word 'Fly!' over there in the other forum usually brings up a storm!I have no idea why this is so. Perhaps some kind of jealousy or such plays a role.. i don't know.I for myself am always happy to look over the fence, and when people 'advertise' things they like in other forums. It's a hobby, and i'm open to all sides, i only can profit from this.Here in the Fly forum the atmosphere is much more friendly and polite than over there.Cheers,Michael

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"...boring if everyone you knew liked exactly what you liked, and we all owned the same cookie-cutter home with the same furniture and same clothes and 2.3 kids."I'll say! And pretty damn messy with the 0.3rd kid. Yuck! And besides you might not like the other two families with the other two-thirds of your kid...Cheers, Tony

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>50. "Holy Cow!!!" >In response to message #49 >Youre right, Rich! This stuff really gets on my nerves.. >>This is what i posted on the 'other' forum: (thread now >locked) >--------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>I for myself use both Sims (Good Lord forgive me, i am a Fly >user too..), and i enjoy both! >>I agree with the poster who said we are a flightsim-family. >I doesn't matter which Sim we use, we all have one thing in >common, and this is the love to fly. So the whole debate >here is nonsens! >>>Hugg each other and stop this nonsense! Let's enjoy our >MSFS, Fly!, PSS Airbus, our PMDG B7x7, our x-plane or >whatever! >>Cheers, >Michael I whole heartedly agree with Michael about this one. What does it matter which darned flight sim that anyone uses? I have FlyII!, X-Plane, Falcon 4.0, Warbirds, and several others. I still have Sublogics Flight Sim on 1 Floppy disk. Not that really means squat. BUT I ENJOY FLIGHT SIMMING AS MUCH AS BLACKBERRY COBBLER!!!!!!!!! :_jumpy :_jumpy :_jumpyBut I would like to think that we are a family of sorts. So we as humans react as such. Sometimes we agree and other times we dont. I dont like the practice of antagonizing or posting just to get something started. I do agree that if this appears to be the case then a thread should be locked. While in some instances a good debate doesnt do any harm. This was all I was doing in the thread that was locked upon my post to it. http://ftp.avsim.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboa...rum=DCForumID14I will admit that at first it did rub me the wrong way. I guess that comes from my having been a part of the beta testing of FlYII!. This was my first time at getting to work on a beta test of a flight sim. I had previously worked on some other programs. But you have to realize that at that time my computer was far below the guidelines set for even running FlyII!. It amazed some of the other testers that I could actually get it to run. Since then I have upgraded to a much faster system and I spend several hours each day just enjoying all of the flight sims installed on my drive.I also admit that after going back and looking at the thread that I then realized I probably got off topic somewhat. And Im probably doing the same here and the result will probably be the same this thread will be locked. I have always had a tendancy to speak my mind. :) SO when I seem to appear antagonastic in my replys or posts. I dont really mean to be. Im just a very plain spoken person. My love of anything related to Aviation started a youngster in the suburbs of Chicago. We lived just blocks away from Midway Airport. We were in direct line of the approach path. This was way before the restrictions were placed on the decibel levels that the engines could displace.Good Lord I still remember hearing the dishes rattle in the cupboard. Next to a Harley Davidson motorcycle there is nothing like the sound of a Airplane or Jet passing overhead. I think some of you will understand how I feel and some will read this and wonder what the heck has this guy been smoking? I quit that stuff several years ago. :_roll So in closing I will try in the future to keep my posts or replys short and sweet. I guess I will just have to print out the guidelines for posting here and post them to my desktop in clear view. No Im not being sarcastic about it. Just being very honest. Why Oh .... Why cant I ????FlyII! ver. 2.30Directx 8.1nVidia drivers 23.11ECS K7S5A SOCKETA /DDR/ AUDIO/ATX MB, DDR 128MB PC-2100 266MHZ MEMORY ,AMD ATHLON T-BIRD 1.2GHZ 256K FSB266 PGA , NVIDIA GEFORCE2 MX-400 64MB 4X-AGP

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>Just thinking the word 'Fly!' over there in the other forum >usually brings up a storm! >I have no idea why this is so. Perhaps some kind of jealousy >or such plays a role.. i don't know. That's "gotta" be the reason for sure!! :-lol L.Adamson

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>Hi Richard, >>I just want to state for the record that I will take a BMW >over a Corvette or Viper any day of the week. :-lol :-lol Not me. I'll take the Corvette.

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