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I just got my computer back from the shop. It's now nicely upgraded and I was anxious to see how much better Fly!2 would run.The program loads up great...... the little "fuel gauge" fills up snappily. Unfortunately, that's as good as it gets! As soon as it loads up, I get a DirectX8 3D Driver Error: "DrawIndexPrimitive SVertex failed" message.I ran DX Diagnostics and everything checks out fine. I'm using the same video card as before the upgrade (GEForce2 Ti), the same Op. System (Win98SE), the same video drivers (ver. 29.32 I think), the same DX 8.1, and Fly!2 was working OK before the upgrade. So now what could the problem be? I upgraded from a P3 700 mhz, 320mg SDRAM to P4 2.4G,512mg DDR RAM with a new 300 watt power supply instead of my old 250 watt power supply.Any suggestions?Thanks in advance.-Lindy :-wave

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Hi Lindy,Disable anti-aliasing and try again.A remember it worked for me once, and after some adjustmentsit could be abled again.greets

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I also saw the same message when I changed some settings in the ini file. I think the message refers to not having enough texture slots assigned. Maybe this will trigger something for someone else to comment on?Pete

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Hi Lindy,Are you running the 230 version of Fly II? Try changing the render option to DX 8 instead of DX 8 T&L. If that corrects it, then try re-installing DirectX 8.1 and see what happens. I assume you also had a new mobo installed as part of the upgrade and left the HD with the OS and software installed as it was prior to upgrading? I don't think that is the cause of this problem but I have not had good luck with that approach. I've always done a format and fresh install of OS and drivers anytime I've changed motherboards. On the plus side, Fly II will run great on your system once you get it straightened out. Fly II and "the other sim" both run very smoothly on my current system.Good luck.Athlon 1800+, Gygabyte GA7VRXP512 meg PC2700 Corair ram, Win 98SEVisiontek G3, Nvidia 30.82Soundblaster Live

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If you have not changed drivers, os or any other software, but the motherboard and cpu, then it might be in your bios. Look at the AGP aperture setting and make sure that it's not too low( try 32 or 64 meg).tony

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Hi Lindy,You might want to try downloading the latest driver from nvidia 40.72 my frame rate increase significantly from 14fps to 25 fps.here's the link.http://www.evga.com/support/downloads/default.aspchris salviejo rpllsoyo kt400corsair xms256 pc2700140gig hddgforce2 mx400directx 8.1windows mefly2 patch 230ch usb yoke/pedal

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... so I tried it. I changed my start up to just DX8 (no T&L) and the program runs fine. I then re-installed DX8.1 and tried Fly!2 again. No go. :-( I got the same message.Now I truly am stumped as to what the problem could be.On the bright side however, I CAN run it w/o the T&L enabled, but darn it all I really do like that nice glow during sunset and sunrise! -Lindy :-wave

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>... so I tried it. I changed my start up to just DX8 (no >T&L) and the program runs fine. I then re-installed DX8.1 >and tried Fly!2 again. No go. :-( I got the same message. Well at least we're making progress! I assume your running Fly version 230? You might try changing the location where the sim starts, then enable DX8 T&L and see if that changes anything. If it does, I would re-install fly II. If it has no effect you might try a different Nvidia driver. I had very good luck with the 30.82 driver before. I just upgraded to the 40.72 driver but have not used it with Fly II yet, just FS2k2 so I can't say whether it is better or not. I did notice my Earthviewer software brings up a "depth buffer error" message since going to 40.72 but I havn't had time to chase this problem down. Good luck tracking it down Lindy, let us know how it goes.

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Thanks for the encouragement Dean. I'm running a fully patched version of Fly!2 (whichever version that is) :-) And as I said, it was running just fine (WITH T&L enabled) before my upgrade. So maybe the new MB does need a more updated driver. :-hmmmOh! get this -- I e-mailed my computer shop (the place that did the upgrade for me). Their "techie" suggested that this program was not designed to run on such a high end machine!! (Now, granted this dude was trying to troubleshoot based only on a couple of e-mails, but really...... :-lol )At least I CAN use Fly!2, so that's something. I'll let you know if I figure anything out.Uh...... would having V-sync enabled (through my video card) have any effect?-Lindy :-wave

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Lindy, You should disable v-sync, it makes you loose frames in all games...I would format and reinstall everything, and put WinXP which runs great, no more bluescreen and less errors...cheers

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Yup, and for the AGP aperture, it should be half of your ram... That's I have and it works great(my favorite magazine said it was best to set the aperture size like that)Cheers

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>Uh...... would having V-sync enabled (through my video card) >have any effect? Lindy,V-sync might affect performance but I don't think it would create the problem your having. It is a little weird that the problem started after the upgrade but since it works without DX8 T&L I tend to think it is still driver or software. You can see the version level at the Fly II startup options page. When you say you are fully patched, exactly how do you mean? Did you install the video patch?The 230 patch is all inclusive so if you installed the video patch, after the 230 update that may be part of the problem. The video patch installs DX8 dll files that are older than the same files in the 230 patch. Check your Fly II folder for the following two files and make sure they are dated 6/18/01.TRIDX8.DLLTRIDX8TL.DLL

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I discovered that if I uncheck the "high resolution" area, Fly!2 will run fine with T&L. It seems I can run with high resolution OR with T&L but not with both. I would have thought that a 64 mg DDR RAM video card would be able to handle both, but apparently not. Dean, when I patch up my version, I don't use the all inclusive patch -- I don't even have it. I use the inidividual patches as they were released by TRI (including the video update). However, I shall check the dates on the triDX files you mentioned.Thanks everyone for your suggestions. :-smooch I DO have Fly!2 running now -- and it really runs great! :-yellow1 I should have everything that I want re-installed by the weekend and I intend to do some serious virtual flying. :-hah-Lindy :-beerchug

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Hi Lindy,This was the solution, first I disabled antialiasing , that didthe problem disappear.After that I found out that AA could work with HR disabled.Have fun , and tell me your framerate.

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... reply was to wrong post ...But yes, tweaking that AGP Aperture setting up to 256 made Fly2 hum... Art.

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I found T&L choking on old situations that were originally runin non-T&L mode. Remember that number 1 rule for Fly (and Fly2) problems.... remove all old hst and sit files :-)As long as I run new situations, I seem to have no problems.Right now, I have the "stock" Fly2 updated to 230, and have added Flyscripts, C4TO and Jure's cloud enhancements, with no problems.But still getting the "missing RAW file" errors, when I try to add scenery (specifially Kanold's CANDEX plus Sadabin's YKZ scenery). Still fighting with that....And, oh yes, tweaking that AGP Aperture setting up to 256 makes Fly2 hum...

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You asked for my frame rates......... I normally don't pay a lot of attention to FRs. Mostly I'm interested in smooth flying performance regardless of the numbers. Prior to my upgrade I was averaging 10+ fps except in areas like Renton airfield. Since my upgrade, I'm now averaging 20+ everywhere (so far) and I LOVE it. :-yellow1-Lindy :-wave

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>I would have thought that a 64 mg DDR RAM video card would be able >to handle both, but apparently not. >Dean, when I patch up my version, I don't use the all >inclusive patch -- I don't even have it. I use the >inidividual patches as they were released by TRI (including >the video update). However, I shall check the dates on the >triDX files you mentioned. >Lindy,You should be able to have it all, hi-res and T&L with a 64 meg card. I'm willing to bet it's the *.dll files from the video update. If your not running version 230 I would highly recommend you download the 230 updat. Rich fixed so many things with 230 it's like a whole new sim and the new tridx files included with 230 add some of the missing visual effects like smoke, etc. BTW, you may have to check "show all files" under the view tab of Windows Explorer in order to see the dll files. Glad to hear your making progress.

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I know what you mean about my ykz scenery. Lost the original in a HD crash and am having a hard time getting the one I uploaded to work lol. PLayed around with it some more, Download tm21tp.zip from the library and copt the file Tm21_256.pod to your scenery/shared and try putting Tmykz.pod in Scenery/Tmykz. This solved some of the texture errors and let me at least run the scenery so long as I didn't let RWY 15 get into view, but I think that one is a bad file in one of the taxiway signs around RWY 15.

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Good morning Dean:When you refer to the "230 update", are you refering to the version 230 patch listed in the "First Time Flyers" posting at the beginning of this Forum? If not, where can we find "230 update"?Curtis

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Curtis, the all-inclusive 230 patch is right here in the Avsim Library. I did a search for "230" under the Fly!2 category and found it.-Lindy :-wave

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Thank you!I'm already patched to build 230. I was just wondering if the 230 patch that you were refering to is an update to the one listed?Thanks for such a quick response.Curtis

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I had the same SVERTEX problem before when I changed to the NVIDIA upgraded drivers. I would go for the highest version drivers that are for your SPECIFIC card, not the highest level drivers for the NVIDIA chipset.VinPMDGwww.precisionmanuals.comhttp://www.vinscimone.com/dancnkid.gif

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:-wave to DeanYes, I double checked. I'm patched up to vers. 230 and the DX dll files are dated 6/18/01. I also just updated my video drivers to 30.82 but still can't run the high res AND the T&L. Bummer, but at least the sim IS working, and I can crank up my medium res radius practically to the max. That golden glow effect on the planes is nice, for sure, but I DO fly mostly INSIDE the plane. :-) So I won't really miss not having it.Someday I may figure this out, but until then....I'm content with the situation as is -- so far. Thanks for all your help, encouragement and suggestions, everyone. :-smooch-Lindy Fly!2 :-rotor

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Further to my other post in this thread... I am new to FLY2 so doing all those experiments that others have done last year.... But I am finding for sure, that if I leave the autosave.sit file around, after exit from FLY2, then the next run will definitely have the "DrawIndexPrimitive SVertex failed" error sooner or later. And IMMEDIATLEY, if I try to change cameras.And if I remove it, it seems I can fly (T&L) all day with no problem (okay, okay... at least for 15 minutes and multiple camera changes :-) ). There has to be a problem in the way FLY2 loads the startup sit file, because even if I just copy the Autosave.sit to the Saved Simulations folder, with a different name, and load it from the menu, it will run "ok" (except for the fly-by camera which gives the wierd "rays from a single point" visual.... I remember chatter about that last year, but have not bothered to look it up yet... AND, of course, the usual problems of all sit files: not saving the state of the GPS, nor of the mixture control... probably others I haven't found yet... but I digress.)I was doing my testing in the vicinity of an airport with the modified Canadian taxiways, because that was one of my suspects... so that also may, or may not, have had an effect. Early morning low-sun-angle hazy light, with an eerie yellow glow on the plane and the buildings, specifically chosen to prove that there was a difference between T&L and no T&L. From the library, I had added the Flyscripts and C4TO, the TerraScene TMI21_256 and Meigs, the Canadian CANDEX2 mavaids update, plus the Canadian Taxiways, including both the new and the replacements for FLY originals. I was trying to "Prove" which of those was the culprit and at this point, the only "culprit" is autosave.sit.I have to admit, now that I have a system to run it, I can sort of see what all the fuss is about.... why so many wanted to "save" the Fly series.......ASUS V8420 deluxe 128mb videoASUS A7V333 mb, 1Gb memoryAMD 2200+Art.

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