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Hi folks,Having seen Steve`s post on this forum , I have been thinking a little.It`s disappointing to see someone else publish a repaint you have on your easel at the same time.As we all know ( or should know ) it`s "NOT DONE" to publish a livery wich has already been done by another repainter.Doing this we would have some kind of competition ,we ( at least I )would not like to have.I am lucky , I never had the problem, but one never knows.That`s why I would like to start a new thread ( starting with this post )letting the world know what`s on my easel at this moment.I hope all my friends-repainters will follow me in this on this thread.This will have two advantages:No disappointment anymore and clairity about what the FLY-world can expect in the near future.On my easel at this moment:1-----Air Aurigny Saab 340 repaint.2-----Dauphin/Panther French Marine Camouflaged nr 4663-----Dauphin in KLM colors ( just left the easel and is shipped to------Simvol for publication)Regards Leen "FLYBIKE" de Jager ( ROTW )

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G'day Leen,I've been replying to the post of Steve's.I basically agree with all you say Leen. The only problem that I see with using the forum here is that with time it will be lost off the front page whereas if Flydevelopers.com is used it will always be easily found.I unfortunately did have a conflict with steve on a repaint but as soon as it came to my notice I withdrew from further work on the repaint.For the record I have the following repaints underway,1. Air New Zealand Saab 3402. Aero Eurocopter DauphinCheers,Roger @YSSY

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Yeah Yeah............and for the Builders under us! don't start on the following typ's since they are in progress on my harddrive1. Frank Versteegh Extra 300L "Skydancer"2. Russian knights Sukhoi 27 "Flanker" Thanks

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In Microsoft fight sim comunity, this is not a problem, and you can see a lot of version of the same models and repaints, and it's the richness of that sim. When I search for a plane of a repaint in FS libraries, I am sure I can find everything and choice the best for my tastes. I think persons must be free to work on the prefered objects and give their own contribute to enhance owr sim in the ways their Like. Honestly I think there is not space for any disappointing or challenges(I hope). I like to say, this is not a real job but a pleasure for us. Not only, it's a plesure to give something of owrselves to owr friends enjoying.Hugs to all youGiorgio Gnesda

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This is all well and good, however, I can see problems. It will be difficult to keep up with what a person is doing, especially in repaints. Building an aircraft is something else and posting on Fly Developers the plane(s) that a person is working on would be of advantage to the Fly community. There is a lot of work that goes into an aircraft and duplicates could present a problem.I do a lot of airport sceneries and I am aware that others have done some of the airports that I have worked on. That does not bother me as you FLYers can pick and choose. The more choices we have the better for our hobby.That is my two cents worth.

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While I agree with the fact that we're only a few here, and therefore duplicating efforts is a waste of time and energy, I personally think that both users and repainters could benefit from having more than one of the same repaint or even aircraft.I wouldn't look at this as competition but instead as benchmarking. The only way we can improve our skills is by looking at what others did better than us. During the development of the Dauphin, we looked at how the ROTW guys had implemented several systems in their TBM, we also looked at TRI's default aircraft and, of course, PMDG's. If it weren't for them, who raised the bar, we'd simply have Bell 407 with a Dauphin "skin".My vote is that both Steve and Cord upload their Coast Guard Versions and that Roger releases whatever he was working on. Chances are that there are more of one aircraft of that same company or organization. Just make sure that the registration is different and everyone will be happy!!! ;-)As other have already proposed, what if all repainters upload whatever they have worked on regardless of whether or not someone else has uploaded it. Then, moving forward we'd coordinate who's doing what to avoid further duplications.Regards,http://www.avsim.com/hangar/fly/dfdg/banneraa.jpg

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This is a list of what I have saved and going to upload.1. New ADAC Version - Uploaded2. F2FDesign Version - Uploaded3. Coast Guard Red Version with hoist - Uploaded4. German police Version 15. German Police Version 26. Norwiegian Police version (For Jan)7. Spanish Police Version8. Italian Police Version9. British Police Version10. Lindy`s Flight Service - Completed. Hope she likes this Carribean look?11. bond Helicopters Version - Started12. Coast Guard Red/White with Hoist - UploadedSteve

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Hi Guys,Interesting points...........all of them!!However..........I personally think its so important for everone to participate in our sim as often as possible,................If we don't,.... then I feel FLY's days may well be numbered. The more people contribute, the more our sim will grow and this will then attract more development by new and present developers.NO ONE will support a product that has a small market.......if we want to see FLY survive (and we ALL do),......please, please don't restrict ourselves anymore than we all ready have.Let FLY grow!!!, Paint as much as you can, and contribute as much as you want...........and don't forget...It should be FUN!!Regards to you allJohn

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Hi John,This tread is NOT ment to work as a restriction.It`s only ment to avoid people to be disappointed.Some people do not like to publish a livery someone else has alreadypublished.So , if repainters let know what livery they started , there will be nobody starting a livery when he does not want to publish the same someone-else already did or is going to..It`s absolutely not a problem having more than one version of a certain livery.RegardsLeen

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Hi Leen,I fully understand what your saying, I just think it will become difficult keeping track of who's doing what!, without extensive forum searches, people should'nt become dissapointed if someone else is painting a similar livery, because its their Creation and they should be proud of it!.I do appreciate peoples disappoinment, but if we look at all the liveries Pete Sterling created then theres not many left for us to do!!, because he done so many. But this should not stop people creating their own versions and more importantly uploaded them so we all have a choice and chance to use them. Don't forget Pete tried to encourage this by putting together excellent tutorials.Please don't be offended by my thread it was only my way of trying to encourage more people to participate in FLY!RegardsJohnp.s. ...........don't mention the football

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G'day folks!As a "part-time" painter myself I can see a few options:a) Have every painter post into the developers forum;:( Have every painter post into a newly-created forum for painters; orc) Keep posting their projects-on-the-board here.It really doesn't matter one way or the other if Person A creates a repaint of a particular aircraft that Person B did... and besides, it would give me (and others) an individual choice to fly whichever one either works and/or looks better. Tho I may get flamed for saying this... as I am sure that some out there have tweaked the few repaints I have posted here, I have tweaked others... but mostly for MY personal reasons. Would I turn around and upload those tweaked versions to the site - no, as I feel it is inappropriate. Would I perhaps contact the person who did the original and let them know - yes. Leen... that has been one of the things that I truly admired you... although at first it was frustrating I know you only wanted me to produce the best work possible and not settle for less.Don't know if this really contributes or helps in any way, but it's my $0.02USD worth of input! Cheers to you all!John BauderFly! II PCNew York, NYKLGA/KJFKjohnlbauder@aol.com

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Hi John,Yes I agree, you are right about tweaking someone-elses repaint.Just doing some tweaking and keeping it for your own PC , there is nothing wrong with that.Tweaking and publishing is no good.Sometimes I do some tweaking and return the result to the original repainter.Just to give some hints in the art of repainting.Can be very frustrating I am sorry , this is tipical me.;)BTW:In my opinion there are only two ways to start a repaint.a Start from the original.b Start from a repaint you already made yourself.Never start from a repaint someone-else made beforeWhen it`s a good one, yours will be plagiarism.When it`s bad , yours will be bad too and still plagiarism.RegardsLeen

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Leen,I can say, from personal experience, that your tweaking has been with merit - in other words, tweaking a repaint in order to help the person attempting the repaint. Another thing that helps, I think, is when someone offers assistance (like you) credit should be given somewhere along the line... whether it's in the ReadMe file, in the post itself or somewhere... and I hope I've done that with you since you've sure done that with me!I'm currently working on a show right now here in New York so time to fly has been little to non-existent, but once we get open and I can put time into the repaints again, you can count on hearing from me again - both privately AND in the forum, too!Cheers!John BauderFly! II PCNew York, NYKLGA/KJFKjohnlbauder@aol.com

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Leen, that may be true. But in my case, I am trying to do more than just repaint. I have, as will always, written to the author of a paint, and asked for their kind permission to use it. All of them have always thanked me for considering their paints, and , of course, as soon as I upload it, I give them credit. I think of it as sharing food, when the result is not monetary gain or commercial. I used to be a literary scholar,where careers and salaries depend on one's work and reputation. This Fly! activity is a hobby, and honesty and good communication keeps everyone happy--inlcuding using other people paintings. Those people in the community who have seen my work, hopefully appreciate and understand the fact that I am trying simply to keep the hobby going. The Electra will use someone elses painting for several reasons: it saves me time and 2. it's so good that I want to celebrate their work. When I asked for their permission, they were very happy to let me do it. tony

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Hi Tony,As I stated earlier in this topic , using work another person made , in a repaint is some kind of a plagiarism.Using someone-elses work ,with permission and giving credit to the original author is OK.When I wrote about plagiarism ( in june) I was not aware of yourfine job with the Electra.I was speaking in general and absolutely not personal to a specific person.What you are doing now is using an existing (excellent) texture for the Electra , with the permission of the original author.That`s absolutely NO plagiarism. That`s wonderfull!!!Looking forward to it,Kind regardsLeen

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Leen,I was simply contributing my thoughts on the subject, and never did I think that your comments were ill founded criticism. It's a sensitive issue, that of plagiarism, and there's absolutely no question that without an author's permission , the original work should not be used for public usage.As for the Electra painting, even with already made paintings, one needs to retouch these and make them more fitting for FLY2 planes. Leen, I hope I have the priviledge of asking you to take over the project as soon as I have the Tif ready. ;-)tony

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Hi Tony,We cannot agree more.It`s an honour for being asked for the job , thank you.Your`e welcome to send the matarial whenever you feel to.CiaoLeen

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Donny AKA ShalomarFly 2 ROCKS!!!Has anyone been thinking about BFU paint jobs for FLY 2? They allow ANY sim to be used on their jobs and many aircraft on their "accepted" list are available for FLY 2. These include the Pilatus PCXII, Beechcraft B200 and Staggerwing, Seneca V, C130, DH6, and the Lake Seawind. I have applied for permission to use the Hawker also, after what I have done on the 2900 foot grass Runway 36 at LFNJ.They have a few jets in their inventory and the Peregrine meets the under 30000 lb gross and 3000 foot runway requirements if handled properly. (That means aerobraking on rollout.) I don't know what's involved in a repaint or if it can be done with a 32 meg ATI Rage. BFU guys seeing screenshots in FLY 2 pilot reports just might be inspired to convert. Just tossing a pebble in the water.Best Regards, Donny:-wave

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>Has anyone been thinking about BFU paint jobs for FLY2? Maybe a very stupid question.But.......... what are BFU paint jobs???RegardsLeen de Jager

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Donny AKA ShalomarFly 2 ROCKS!!!The ONLY stupid questions are the ones you don't ask. BFU stands for Bush Flying Unlimited. They have several forums in Avsim. One is for posting job assignments and flight reports. (PIREPS) You look at jobs to be performed to see if they appeal to you. The only requirement is that you create a job to replace the one you take. "Rehashing" of old jobs is acceptable, prefferably with some details altered. There is no set number of jobs you must perform and no limit to how many you can take as long as you create assignments to replace them. They are not an airline and do not require use of a specific simulator on most "Jobs" which are created for flight simulator missions. Pilots who create more "jobs" than they take will be especially apreciated. Another BFU forum is the general discussion forum. You can ask questions, suggest changes and make requests for certain aircraft to be added to the "aproved list". More on that later. Yet another forum is for posting "duplicate" flight reports and special flights. If you really like an assignment but someone else grabs it first you can fly your own mission and send a Pilot Report with your own screenshots to the "miscelaneous" forum. Special paint jobs have been developed for all FS9 aircraft on the "aproved" list. There is also BFU "office" scenery which might be converted for FLY 2. The aproved list is divided into categories. The requirements are ability to operate on 3,000 foot airstrips, a gross takeoff weight not to exceed 30,000 pounds and be an aircraft reasonably expected to be in the Bush. Even jets and those weighing more than 30,000 lb can be submitted for admission to the "special use" category. These aircraft are already on the aproved list and available for FLY 2:Pilatus PCXIIBeechcraft B200Beechcraft Staggerwing float versionSeneca VDe Haveland Twin OtterSuper DecathlonThese aircraft have a variant aproved and the FLY version MAY be acceptable. Check before painting so you don't waste your time.Piper Malibu (meridian aproved)Flyhawk (182 Skylane aproved)Staggerwing with wheels?PA19 (J3 Cub aproved)The Hawker TR800 is under consideration for inclusion in the "special use" category. So far two out of five "bosses" have okayed it.There might be more that slipped my mind. BFU paint jobs are not required to fly jobs. If you click on "hawkeyes" banner in one of his posts you will be taken to the BFU website to find the complete "APROVED" list and pictures of them in BFU colors.I am starting a BFU thread in the general discussion forum so as not to take this one further off subject. Of course, if any one agrees to do a BFU repaint coordination to avoid "Dupes" would get the fleet done quicker.Bets Regards, Donny:-wave

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Could someone do a repaint of the new swedish company: MCA AIRLINES Fokker 100 and Airbus 320????? PLEASE! :D best regards mange :(

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