I'm about as casual a flyer as you can get. I set the flaps on the Beechjet, and then take-off. I retract the undercarriage (yes, I do get as far as that), and then I cruise around at 115 knots with 20 degrees of flaps.........and IGNORE the trim. Flying is so easy this way :-)Chris Low.

Chris,"I set the flaps on the Beechjet, and then take-off. I retract the undercarriage (yes, I do get as far as that), and then I cruise around at 115 knots with 20 degrees of flaps.........and IGNORE the trim."You'll love the Dash-8 then ;) She's even easier to land than the Beechjet! Kinda like a big powered glider with tricycle gear - and a good footprint (~7m). Let's see you land this on the dome (I reckon YOU could!) :-lolJon Point*************************([email protected])*************************