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Concorde...A Challenge

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As i am based in the UK, Concorde has always had my admiration. We hear with sadness that from November this year both British Airways and Air France will be withdrawing the service and this wonderful bird will be no longer take to the skys.Please would someone consider making a flyable version to be added to FU3. Sorry, but I have no technical expertise whatsoever when it comes to building planes. However, having just obtained the UK scenerey (many thanks to Glidernut for his time and copy of the discs) I will be looking to building some models for the South Coast having also just downloaded a great mannual to help me.Eastbourne Pier, Beachy Head Lighthouse and the Palace and West Piers at Brighton are the things I have in mind as I live down that way. Only problem I have is the West Pier changes every 3 months, washed away by storms in Jan this year and then set on fire March this year.Will keep you updated (or when I shout for help).Thanks to all.Andy

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Andy,Do you think that one of the BA Concordes should be given to Richard Branson ? I am not sure if he would like to use it for scheduled services, or (more likely) as some kind of ultimate corporate jet. Wouldn't that be fantastic ?What does everyone else think about this ?Chris Low,ENGLAND.

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Can you imaging a concorde in Virgin atlantic livery?Why dosn't someone do that and let us see it, I think it would look pathetic! I think concorde is out and it should go!!!!!!!!!!

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I agree with Elffy on the "look ridiculous" front, truly a BA plane, but shouldnt be got rid off. A symbol of true Britain.Lets hope someone can build us one to fly.Andy

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Why would it look pathetic ? Personally, I don't care who gets a Concorde so long as they still fly it. Can you imagine all of the Concordes gathering dust in museums ?Christ, I hope not.Chris Low,ENGLAND.

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The Concorde is a page in history but I don't really see it as the ultimate FU3 model. Reason, there's not enough terrain to cross to make a supersonic flight worthwhile. The B747 makes some sense from Seattle to San Francisco or to some outer terrain airport. Still, even this one really calls for cross continental flights--a B737 would be the realistic choice for domestic flights in the real world. Another point is whether FU3 supports supersonic, extreme altitude flying. I've noticed some problems getting the B747 up to its proper cruise level. To me, FU3 shines in simulating the GA aircraft "envelope" and this can be stretched to include executive jets, regional turboprops and regional jets. (And, Ansgar's B747 just for fun :-))Hans Petter

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sorry for this totally off topic post but where abouts do you live Andy? I'm in hove...

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I am referring to the REAL Concorde here, not some FU3 flyable model. Surely someone here agrees with me that Concorde is far too impressive an aircraft to just retire ?Chris Low,ENGLAND.

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Hello together,as developer who "might be able" to build such a bird in the needed quality I cant resist to state here also my opinon: ;-)In the early years of my live (15...16) I saw the concorde landing at our midsize regional airport (germany: Osnabr

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OK, maybe "look pathetic" was the wrong phrase, but Concorde has always been a BA plane and should in my view remain so. (No I dont work for BA). However, you are quite right, someone should buy it and keep it flying, even if its just for shows. Finally, I can imagine these planes gathering dust in hangers. How deprived we would be of seeing an object of such beauty in the sky.Andy

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Ansgar,You never fail to amaze me. We will all still be using FU3 in a decade, even if it's only so that we can test fly your new aircraft ! :-)When I said that I was referring to the real Concorde, I didn't mean that I wouldn't LIKE to see a flyable Concorde in FU3. Since you were intending to develop a high detail AI Concorde at some point in the future, this would seem to be an excellent extension of that project. Just remember to include a VFR cockpit view with excellent visibility. After all, Concorde has a pretty high angle of attack during approach and landing. :-)Also, with respect to Hans' comment regarding FU3 as a GA simulator, when have any of you known me to fly ANYTHING in FU3 at more than landing speed ? :-lol Thanks Ansgar. You are one in a million.Chris Low,ENGLAND.

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Ansgar,What have you done to the text ? My smiley faces have disappeared ;)Chris Low,ENGLAND.

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Hi Chris,thanks for your kind words! I only reflected my personal opinion to that great bird. You can be sure that I also want to fly the Concorde - once I have build it as HQ-AI :-) So once we have it it

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Just across in Eastbourne. Flew last night from Gatwick down the A23 to Brighton, along the A27 to Eastbourne. Even managed to fly over my house which was interesting because it looks like my house was built but a group of 13 houses oppsite weren't. The Polegate bypass was "stopped short" at the Polegate end as it was for 6 years due to lack of funding and completed last year. So I guess the scenery is around 5 - 6 years old.I also noticed when flying down the Thames that the London Eye is laid flat on the river East of Westminster, but I cannot remember when it was like this.However, the UK South has really enhanced the game and lets hope these clever guys kep developing more great add ons.Andy

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Ansgar, sorry about being negative regarding the Concorde. If you make one I'll certainly try to fly it. We all have different preferences and there's no need to agree on everything. However, one thing we all agree on is that your FU3 aircraft are superb. Even though we lack the option to make flights from one continent to another we can make longer flights with the outer terrain installed. One might also return to the airport of departure after a flight along the coast or out over the ocean.Apart from creating a beautiful model (as I know you will) there are special challenges in flight dynamics and features. For instance, the Concorde uses an afterburner to boost power during take-off. Then it climbs to a cruise level far above the capability of normal fanjets and flies at several times the speed of sound.Once you cross the sound barrier there'll be terrific stability issues. The Concorde has a few things in common with space shuttles once it reaches cruise speed and altitude. The reason that the sound barrier has anything to do with flight dynamics is that it's the speed that a pressure wave will propagate in air. The deal is that a supersonic aircraft flies faster than its pressure wave and the speed of sound just coincides with this shift in dynamics, being subject to the same laws of physics. Yes, there's a lot of hefty physics to explain here and it's all way beyond me. A working analogy, however, is to compare a displacement boat with an ocean racer. The "normal" boat is cradled by the water and creates a bow wave as well as a wake. As the boat bobs and rolls the water will dampen any movement and keep it stable. The racer is sliding on top of the water and this water is hardly interacting with the vessel at all. Any minor instability and the racer will flip or roll, bounce along the rock-hard water and be ripped to pieces. By the same token, at supersonic speeds the wing is not seeing the nice Bernoulli flow pattern over and around it--the wing is surfing on "hard" air and is prone to flipping over. Advanced computers are used to provide split-second adjustments to the control surfaces, to catch any tendency to flip or roll immediately. There's no handflying a Concorde across the Atlantic. While subsonic aircraft are true to the angle of attack (stop bouncing it around and it will return to stable flight) the supersonic aircraft is inherently unstable and may veer in any direction on short notice, with no tendency to return to what it was doing. By the way, does anyone know how FU3 models the atmosphere?Needless to say, the Concorde returns to stable, subsonic flight once the speed drops.best regards,Hans Petter

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Dear Hans Petter,Oh I love all this nice people here,..... but don

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Ansgar,You are no doubt well aware that I would only be flying it at "Baron" speeds anyway ! :-)Chris Low,ENGLAND.

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Hi Ansgar,Just a little note - I would love to see the Concorde, but the flaps won't be a problem - as the Concorde doesn't have any flaps! :-)Cristian

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Suuuuuuperb Cristian and Chris! Several problems are solved before I started anything about it;-)1. we need no flaps2. it

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Ansgar: I've been slow to finish the Baron textures. You've just inspired me to take this a bit further tonight. What needs to be done before I upload the Big Red again are:1) Fine-tuning all if the red trim2) Repainting the interior. The pilots have been modified already.3) Get the new panel finshed (Steve's work)Cristian: You say no flaps for the Concorde. I didn't know that. However, I would be very surprised if it has no means of increasing the wing surface / slowing down for take-off or landing. Slats or spoilerons? Chris: Even the landing speed is quite high and Baron dynamics won't do, not even around the airports :-)Hans Petter

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Isn't the scenery from the Millenium Map? The photos were taken in 1999/2000 and they must have captured the London Eye before it was pulled upright in the middle of 1999, wasn't it!?!By the way, go Ansgar go! I want to fly that Concorde!! Went to school just outside Reading in the 80's and it came over us at 18:18 each weekday with an impressive roar. You could hardly hear the other aircraft in the flighpath. It also came over at 10:30 on a Sunday morning. In the 10am service the Vicar would actually have to stop talking. I shall always be thankful to Concorde for that!Graeme

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Hans,As far as I know, the Concorde has no "lift-increasing" systems. It has to land with the same wing configuration it has on supersonic flight. That's why its landing speed is so high (and it needs LONG runways)... And that's why the angle of attack is so high on landing, giving that "nose-up" attitude.The only moving parts on the Concorde's wing are the 6 trailing edge elevons.For a huge amount of info about Concorde, see this site:www.concordesst.comCristian

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Hans,I wasn't seriously suggesting that Concorde could fly at "Baron approach and landing speeds" :-eek I was simply reminding everyone that my own particular copy of this plane would never even APPROACH supersonic flight :-)Chris Low,ENGLAND.

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Hello Cristian!Boy thats what I name a perfect link for Concorde fan

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