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Dear All,I finally got around my ntree replacement 'problem' last night. The idea was to create an 'instant upgrade' for all, without needing to open FLED. The results are spectacular (IMHO)! BTW, these are 'untouched' Chris Low packages from the 2004 Seattle release. I simply replaced the modelmip.tag file in the gen folder to see how effective it was.Bergseth/Black Diamondhttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/67606.jpgKapowsinhttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/67607.jpgRangerhttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/67608.jpgSwansonhttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/67609.jpgI also updated the tagfile with all my latest models. There is also a Sanfran version (pix next week) with slightly different trees ;)PS Thanks Chris, for all your work :-beerchugRegards,**************Jonathan Point**************"I'd rather be down here wishing I was up there than up there wishing I was down here"

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Chris,After the Avsim 'server meltdown', my old login no longer worked :-grrBogdan,It is a very large file now (modelmip.tag) - about ~30megs. I may split it up and post it on Avsim but I want to finish the Sanfran one first (2x ~30 meg files? - sheesh!).I suppose the big advantage is that you don't have to do anything after installation - all existing packages (+ original LGS placements) get upgraded. Also, you can now empty your gen folder (except for my 'other' trees with oversized filenames...). No longer will a missing mipfile ruin your day!I'll post some Sanfran shots this week. What size should I split them to? 4x ~8megs? 3x 11megs? If I could use WinAce, it would be a lot smaller but Avsim only hosts zipfiles.Regards,**************Jonathan Point**************"I'd rather be down here wishing I was up there than up there wishing I was down here"

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Jonathon, WOW, hold on there jon, it may not be nesossery or desirerabl to post the howle modelmip.tag!Andr

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John,Of course we could do it that way but I assumed that not everyone wants to get involved in scripts! The models cannot simply be 'replaced' as they are a different filesize. The way I did it (using some magic files from RobD - probably same as Andre's...) was to disassemble the entire modelmip.tag file, then recompile it with the new files. If others are up to it, we could go that way. That said, there are lots of models not included in RobD's last modelmip upgrade, including mine of course. If one was to have the updated file (complete), it would include ALL models released to date, making it easier for package creators as well as users who simply want to download a package and use it.I'll look at how big the 'upgrade' filesize would be - still probably a few megs but definitely smaller than ~30 :-eekThanks for the input :-waveRegards,**************Jonathan Point**************"I'd rather be down here wishing I was up there than up there wishing I was down here"

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Needless to say, I don't mind either way since my DSL connection will download anything within a few minutes anyway. A script would be fine, as would a number of spanned zips. Ansgar used hjsplit.exe to create spanned zips and this little utility would be a good way to glue the parts back together. Hjsplit.exe is freeware and can be included. And yes, it's a very small file.In any event, modem users with unreliable connections ought to install a downloader that supports "resume". There are some free ones that don't come packed with spyware and adware these days.Hans Petter

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Hans,My ISDN line is only slightly faster than that of a 56kbps modem, but fortunately it is far more reliable. I have not had a single disconnection during a large download, and the speed is constant......a whopping 7K per second ! :-lolI would like to have a new modelmip.tag file for both regions...with ALL models included. Those new trees look good, and I would like to see them in my packages :-)Chris Low.

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OK then jon, I don't mind either way you do it. The mane thing is that we all get to have them.Thay are very much a "must have" upgrade.Post em any way you can.glidernut.:-wave

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I don't know WinAce, I use WinRar and I don't understand why avsim doesn't accept this kind of files, since this compress better then WinZip and WinRar can divide the file into pieces as anyone wants.B.Adamski

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Bogdan, I've got WinZip, WinRar and WinAce. "Rar" can do zip and rar and "Ace" can do them all. Further, WinRar compresses files better than WinZip and and "ace" compression is better than either of these. I know that WinRar can split files but how do you join them again? Provided WinRar can "glue" the parts back together you won't need hjsplit.exe but this program is free and small. I guess "zip" has become an unofficial world standard and that's why Avsim accepts "zip" only. Imagine all the cries for support that would arise if someone uploaded a *.rar or an *.ace -- what is this file and how do I unpack it? :-)Hans Petter

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Dear All,Last night I played with an upgrade 'package' which:* Updates the 'ntrees' to something nicer-looking* Adds all the (known) extra models created since RobD's modelmip release. There are quite a few, including a lit 'segmented circle' for the windsocks!The total zipfile size is ~2megs, which should be OK for most users.I'll post the Seattle one first, as I'm still not 100% happy with the ntrees for Sanfran. Also, they don't work well for UK because one cannot increase the model size, which means they are all rather straight and tall.:-waveRegards,**************Jonathan Point**************"I'd rather be down here wishing I was up there than up there wishing I was down here"

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Many users have made filenames with greater than the DOS 8.3 standard. These MIPs and BINs are not handled correctly by the LGS script files, and the result is that the models are not available to FU3, causing errors and slow framerates. Please check that all models with long filenames are handled separately - they can't go into the modelmip.tag database but have to float outside it. Also watch out for the LGS models that had errors - I've forgotten their names but they are to do with TOWVIEW - some mips are missing from the original installation. I had to invent a fake one. If you look at my UKS modelmip.tag upload and my original Seattle modelip.tag release, you will see what I mean - I have kept long-named BINs and MIPs separate. The latest UKS model database is on Chris Sorensen's ftp site. This one works perfectly.Secondly, take care with the script substitute file method, as it assumes the replacement MIP is the same size. Better to disassemble the database and rebuild it IMHO.RobD.

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Rob,No worries ;)It will be a 'break & rebuild' situation (using the stuff as you sent to me, basically). It works fine even if the mips and binfiles are much larger, the problem I had related to the 'physical' size of the binfile models themselves. As soon as you exceed the original model dimensions by 0.000001mm, it makes FU3 look real weird. Doesn't seem to cause crashes and in no way affects package-based models (I don't know why) but severely affects 'original' (i.e. LGS - placed) models. Some things disappeared altogether, others took on strange shapes (trees upside-down :-eek ) and the mapping also went astray (bottom row of pixels repeated all the way up the model).This is why I have been so long with the announcement - I wanted to make sure it was robust. I am going to suggest that people download and install your Seattle upgrade first, just to have everyone 'in-sync'. I think yours was ~24meg, with the new additions (and larger mipfiles for the ntrees etc.), it becomes ~31 megs.After that, I am doing the same for Sanfran. UKS is different, due to a number of reasons:* The standard 'ntree' shape is not really suitable for Oaks, Walnuts and willows - great for poplars though.* As no trees in UKS are 'unpackaged', there is no restriction to altering ntree sizes, so we could have suitable shaped trees as we wish.* There are many area-specific models here which aren't as applicable in the US (Buckingham Palace etc).As a UKS user, I will be calling upon your skills to test the upgrades there but that's later - I'm only worried about Seattle and Sanfran right now because they stand to benefit most from this upgrade. I assume there aren't a lot of ntrees in UKS (yet). Maybe we can 'kick off' with the 3-sided ones there?PS What's ChrisS' site address? Can you email me on that? My UKS is sooooo out of date it's scary :-roll:-waveRegards,**************Jonathan Point**************"I'd rather be down here wishing I was up there than up there wishing I was down here"

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When you compress the file(s), you choose the number of bytes per file. WinRar start to compress. If compressed file is bigger then chosen number, Rar compress the rest into next and next files. If you decompress, you get the file(s) ( optionaly with path to folder(s)) as they were before packing.What version of WinRar you used ? I've been using WinRar 2.9 for longer time. Now I used WR 3.3 and I compressed the same files. Now they are 550 kB, before over 700 kB. The difference is significant.B.Adamski

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Bogdan, I've got WinRar 3.3 as well. I can split files and I'm sure that there's a way to join them again. So, how do I go about it?Let's say that I've got three spanned rar files that should be combined to form the original file. Do I simply place them all within one directory and decompress the first one? Or, do I decompress each one and then use some WinRar command to join them?Hans Petter

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Ok. I have the same version.Click 2x at the file you want to unpack. You must click at the first file (name_part01.rar), then choose Unpack to ( I have polish version so I'm not sure if it's named 'unpack to' - I have 'wypakuj do' :-hmmm ). Choose the folder where you want to unpack and click OK. That's all. You'll get original file(s) (unpacked) in this folder. It's very easy. Try it using any file you want : pack it and unpack.B.Adamski

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Got it!The English commands are "Add" and "split to volumes, bytes". In other words, you define the size of each part. Then, when the spanned rar files have been created you go "Extract to" and select the first file. WinRar then extracts and joins the segment automatically.Hans Petter

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Bogdan,Off topic for the moment, early indications are that FLED works much better with my new PC than it did with the old one. Hopefully, I will be able to work in a "freeze and crash free zone" in the future ;-)Also, did you get AI airliners to work properly at Renton Municipal ? They appear to be working fine now in my install of FU3...ever since I changed the active runway to 15.Chris Low.

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So, as I said fled isn't bad. I observed only departure traffic on my FU. I must look yet, but I don't expect any changes.B.Adamski

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Bogdan,Strangely enough, only seeing departing airliners at Renton Municipal would be very realistic. Every airliner that is built there never returns once it has departed.Fortunately, I have seen some AI airliners land at the FU3 version of this airport....and that is what I prefer ;-)Chris Low.

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Hello Bogdan.I used to work with "winrar" many years ago and it is great.After that "winzip" was the main package program for me to use.Now exploring the "winace",- I am going to buy the lincence for this.The compress of files using the "winace" is a very huge step foreward.Best regards.Lars Peter. :-wave

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Hi,Here's an extract from WinAce Help, subject the SFX module. Using the Winace SFX and with .zip extension, and having the file broken down to smaller files might be the way to go. Theoretically?....."An SFX-module is an independent program which contains an extracting module as well as the actual archive data. This is useful when you are distributing archives and are not sure whether the recipients of the data have the right tool to decompress your archive.By using SFX-modules ("self-extracting") Ace archives can be distributed easily. The only downside is the slightly increased size of the archive due to the extraction module, that needs to be added (about 10-50 kB, depending on the type of module).Windows-SFX-Module (32Bit, ACE and ZIP): This module is a bit larger, adding up to 80 kB to your archive and runs under Windows95/98/NT4 only. It is easier to use and highly configureable Every SFX archive is extractable like a normal archive, independent from the type of module it contains. WinAce handles SFX-archives like any other normal archives. They can be opened and extracted without actually starting the module. WinAce recognizes the type regardless of the file extension. A Windows-ZIP-Module is extractable under DOS by PKUNZIP.EXE as well."................ I tested it on a 412mb Terrascene2, FlyII project file. The file I ended up with at the destination directory 4.6mb(Hard to believe it compressed something that big to such a small size) file name AstoriaN.zip. Course wasn't a good test because I have Winace. Would been better to test on a pc without Winace on it(or the original file for that matter). Decompressed to my "F" drive and the file seems ok.The SFX module supports different languages, also allows a small text file to be added to the archive. Pretty neat.JimB

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Yesterday I've heard the anouncement for landing, but the plane then dissapeared ( I have Runway 32 with ILS ). Send me your Renton for tests.B.Adamski

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