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Seadog,Dunno if this helps - I just saw your lonely post, still waiting!I use Win98SE and have used 2 joysticks before. I currently use one, although this will change soon. I use a CH 'Virtual Pilot' (old gameport) yoke with throttle. My second 'stick' is a Microsoft 'Sidewinder' USB, cut apart to give me a rudder and heaps of buttons. I've never had any problem with the configuration of it, trying all kinds of combinations with the buttons. I used the control manager ('Microsoft Central' or something...) to allocate the buttons and axes (only use one though for rudder).Recently, I decided to rebuild it mechanically and had to edit the config file to put the toe brakes back on the yoke. It worked fine. I think where many people have problems has to do with joystick numbering. My CH always comes up as 1 and the other as 2 but I know I must unplug the pedals before playing NFS or I'll be steering with the pedals :-eek This is because the later game seems to recognise the USB stick as 1. I don't use the CH software at all - it caused me problems with the USB stick. You don't need it anyway as Windows allows calibration directly.Anyone using CH PRO stuff that can assist?:-waveRegards,**************Jonathan Point**************"I'd rather be down here wishing I was up there than up there wishing I was down here"

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Logitech stick and CH pedals -- both USBEverything works fine under Win 2000, except that I don't have differential toe braking. My flight3.cfg contains:; joystick setupjoy_device 2throttle_device 2 3rudder_device 1 3toe_brakes_device 1 1 2Hans Petter

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Bless you, Brother Jonathan, for taking pity on a poor itinerant Seadog. It appears the solution will be so hardware-specific that perhaps only CaptRolo can help.If anyone can prevail on him to share his specifics with me, it would be greatly appreciated. I'd love to be a new junior member of the fraternity, but the inability to use all my controls is driving me mildly mad.Seadog

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Thank you, Hans, for taking time to help. I use the same settings as you, and am interested primarily in what further settings to use to control prop pitch and mixture. It's good to have confirmation of the settings you use for the others, however. Thanks again,Seadog

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You are already a member of the FU3 community. Welcome to AVSIM Online :-waveChris Low.

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(links, 'click' where appropriate)General info from the Looking Glass readme file,http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho..._id=12075&page=and from the pen of Capt Rolohttp://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...g_id=6531&page=andhttp://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...g_id=3715&page=andhttp://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...g_id=4471&page=while Henri (Hawk) recommendedhttp://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...g_id=3717&page=and John Voznak recommendshttp://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...g_id=3721&page=while another snippett is fromFletchhttp://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...g_id=4470&page=and Jimmi G had a whole thread of suggestions and tips herehttp://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...ing_type=searchand soon you shall touchdown at Coupeville NOLF as lightly as a flea on ricepaper:-wavePete

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Thanks very much, Pete, for all the kind effort that went into preparing that large serving of help. As it would happen, I know just how much effort it was because I also did it prior to posting my plea. I studied all of those things, and more.The solutions offered by CaptRolo, I've finally concluded, are unavailable to me and any other newcomers because he is using a program that is no longer available, called the CH Combo driver.John Voznak says, about his solution, that he is using the newer CH Control Manager program, which is available now in ver. 3. I've tried his solution without success.That's why I asked if people using Control Manager had made changes to the default assignments within that program. Without that further information, the cfg file settings alone aren't enough to nail down the final golden answer. I would need to know that from John.Absent that, I decided to apply brute force. I unplugged the rudder pedals and began to see if I could get just the yoke to work on all 5 axes with no additional program like the Control Manager. I tried 128 different combinations of settings today, one axis at a time, and then 2 axes at a time, for all three of the axes besides X & Y, using all possible combinations of axis numbers from 3 through 8, with no luck. I'm worn out by it.I still have to try 3 axes at a time. The way I do the math, that's another 216 variations. My head hurts just thinking about it - see ::-vuur Thanks again for your kind help, Pete.Seadog

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Hello again, Pete, and thank you. Enlightenment, yes; utility, no. CH and Frugals and Stickworks I had already read, and CH has no solution for the prop and mixture axes (nor do the others, or the additional forums I've read), but I have already solved adding prop or mixture (controlled by the prop lever), but not both. I hadn't read Control Center, but they had no solution, either. I did do a web search on alltheweb.com, which turned up a quite old, discarded FAQ from CH which said FU3 had no USB support, and they were negotiating with the developers to find a solution. Well, we know what happened to the developers and, thus, what happened to that solution. Heck, I've even begun studying some of the intricacies of USB in general. The path direct to the heart of the matter would pass through John Voznak, who has the only apparent solution I could adopt, but I've no idea how to contact him to learn the further details I need.In case anyone's interested, what works for me so far is, without using any additional software such as CH Control Manager, to place the following in flight3.cfg:; joystick setupjoy_device 2throttle_device 2 3prop_pitch_device 2 6rudder_device 1 3toe_brakes_device 1 1 2To obtain control of the mixture knob, instead, albeit using the propellor pitch lever on the yoke, substitute mixture_device for prop_pitch_device. I'm still contemplating that flea you mentioned, but the paper looks suspiciously like flypaper from here. Thanks for your cheerful good help.:-bigangel Seadog

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This is what I have in flight3.cfg, and everything works correctly:; joystick setupjoy_device 2throttle_device 2 3mixture_device 2 5prop_pitch_device 2 6rudder_device 1 3toe_brakes_device 1 1 2The only difference from yours is the insertion of line 4.Dugald

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Dugald, thanks very much for that contribution. Your setup is precisely what ought to work for me and anyone else, according to the logic of the manner in which FU3 and DirectX read the axes. It is simply beyond my comprehension why, when I assign mixture to 2 5, it doesn't work, and locks up the mixture control knob in the program. I can't use the mouse on it, and the keyboard commands are inactive as well.My foray into the arcane world of how USB works showed there are differences in the quality of implementation from one motherboard chipset to another. The expert at www.usbman.com says Intel chipsets are "the gold standard."I'm using a Soyo K7V Dragon Plus! with an Athlon XP 1800+. The board's chipset is the Via KT266A.If you have the time, would you please tell me what motherboard, processor and chipset you are using? Thanks again.Seadog

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My motherboard is Asus A7V266-E, the processor is Athlon 1900+, and the chipset is Via KT266A.Dugald

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Thanks, Dugald. At least I can stop researching the chipset as a potential problem. I appreciate the information.Seadog

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Merci, Pete, of the fascinating literary images, and thank you all others who gallantly helped as well, Chris and Dugald, Hans and Jonathan, and others who posted much earlier on the subject.After reflecting and after factoring in the solutions offered, I've come to the conclusion that the problem is generated principally by motherboard design.Each solution works for each one who has solved the problem because the motherboard permits it. USB is an integral part of the chipset that is hard wired and can't be upgraded. Since I have the same chipset as Dugald, but can't use his solution, the only variable left is the motherboard. I look forward to my next motherboard, with hope.You have been generous, kind and friendly to a stranger, and I appreciate it.:-wave Seadog

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Seadog; I sent you an email through avsim , will send you combo drivers . Sorry for delay but I have been working a lot lately and don't like it , but you have to do what you haveto do . I have time off july 4th weekend. need your email address . CaptRolo

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I gave it the old grad school try with the CH Combo Driver ver. 1.00 that CaptRolo generously forwarded to me yesterday evening, but with no luck. Given that I'm punch drunk from the hundred-plus variations I've tried, I actually found the result hilarious.First off, my hopes were raised when I cranked it up and saw all three levers correctly controlling their functions. Oh, joy!But once the engine was cranked and the brakes released, it was a different story entirely. I've been bitten by the curse of The Flying Dutchman - the ship sails fine, but there's no crew controlling it. I found the Yoke no longer controlled the X-Y axes at all, and the rudder likewise failed to respond, while the brake pedals controlled the left and right side views, like a hat switch. But I darn sure could operate those levers! I even tried John Voznak's solutions again with no luck.Time to put her in the hangar until I get a whole new rig. This motherboard just isn't going to get the job done, and I'm through throwing good time after bad.On to the next new thing - Anybody running it on an Athlon 64 yet?:-beerchug Thanks for all your help, especially the clearly overworked CaptRolo and Persistent Pete - Seadog

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I'm sorry you have had no success seadog (I've never even tried) but its been delightful reading this thread. The main thing I have learnt is that without flypaper I am not experiencing the full joy of FU3, so I'm buying and installing this immediately.I'm just a little hazy on where to install it ...

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Seadog ; Dissapointed that this driver didn't work for you .There's one other possibility . When I purchased usb pedals from My friend ,they wouldn't work right for him with his Microsoft flight stick. (1998 vintage approx) .I already had the yoke and I couldn't get them to work right either . So like you I tried everything . Then I contacted C-H and they told me that my pedals "chip" had to be upgraded because They were early vintage. . So I Sent pedals to C-H for free upgrade . Weeks later I finally recieved shipment and lo and behold they Work!!P.S. If I had bought the pedals at the time I purchased my yoke(Late1999 or early 2000)I could have avoided the hassel .This problem was not Posted by C-H .Maybe This will shed some light on the subject. At least will be in archives at avsim .CaptRolo

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I sense I'll be carried out on my shield, hors de combat. Just when I thought I had the option of an honorable retreat .....This is absolutely fresh news to me and, of course, nothing CH mentioned. I'll dig out my paperwork and check the vintage of my pedals, and contact Michael Sexton of their Tech Support department.It's a really helpful suggestion, mon Capitain. Belay the flypaper.:-yellow1 Seadog

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CaptRolo I was able to confirm that there once was a problem with the Pro Pedals USB chip, but that it was resolved in 2000, and is not a problem for any current purchaser. Since mine were made well past that range, it is neither a problem nor a solution for me either.That means I get an Honorable Discharge from dealing with this problem, printed of course on flypaper.:-hah Once I get the new CPU and motherboard of my dreams, I'll be recalled to service on this issue. Until then, free virtual beers on me for all those who so kindly and generously offered assistance.:-beerchug Seadog

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Noooo....not an 'honourable discharge' that means (usually) transfer to the reserves on half-pay..why not 'laying up for a careening' (for the non-nautical types this can be translated assitting scratching one's behind for a bit while thinking about it)instead :-lol Have fun:-wavePete

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Seadog ,That beer shur tastes good !!Standing by for your recommision /outCaptRolo

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Ooooooeeww... a hangover *:-* I know I didn't help but I can't reshisht a beer on offer...But now, my controlsh don't work! Durn joyshtick - why ish it turning right? Awww, lift the foot orf the pedalsh - now I'm upshide down. Whatsh wrong? Watsh that sound? CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAASHHHHHHHHH!Sheadog, I know your problemsh now. Itsh the virts - vershool beersh. They're making me virshooly p*shed & I'm shuffering vershigo in my sheat :-erks I'll lishen to Rob and shtick to a nyth red nexsh time. *:-* "Honourable Discharge" > When a pollie vents his/her spleen. It's the undesirable mess that ends up in the media afterwards...:-waveRegards,**************Jonathan Point**************"I'd rather be down here wishing I was up there than up there wishing I was down here"

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