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I guess this could be considered sort of a farewell (to FU3 anyway). I'm going to reinstall my system completeley later this evening, and I'm afraid I won't install FU3 anymore.Reason for that is I haven't felt like using it for months, since I am definitely hooked on the FS2004 graphics, and the incredible wealth of add-ons available, which virtually let me fly whatever aircraft I prefer, wherever I want in the World.Not that I'm never going to visit this forum again (somehow I feel "at home" here), but obviously I'll have much less to say from now on.Thank you very much to all of you for these years of enjoyment, and specially to those who participated in the chats, whose memories are fondly cherished.Clear off the prop... blue skies!![h3]:-cool Stearman[/h3]P.S. (Quentin, I would have wanted to fly your Tiger Moth in FU3... who knows, maybe she would have stopped me from this. I whish you a great success with her).P.S.#2 (Tom, did you get my e-mail?)

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Well, same happened to me but I'm still lurking about here :-)We still need to stay in touch somehow I'd say.. As long as nobody throws a fit (and they havent' yet) might as well be here. Unless you've learned to fit in over at the FS9 forums.Anyway, no matter what you end up doing... It's been my pleasure to know you and talk with you over the years, and you take all my best wishes along if you do drop away from the forums.

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He's (Daniel..that is , has ..(got it right this time) ) not gone far:-lolJust hooked up with 'Bush Flying Unlimited' (and some more of us old stagers there too).I tend to split my sim time between FuIII,Fly!2 and (shhhh) Fs 02 (only for Alaska though!!) but here is home.:-wavePete

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::(: guess I better start checking in at the bush flying forum now and then if I want to see the old gang :-)

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Daniel,I sort of know how you feel. I have been struggling with FU3 (enjoyment wise) for the past several months. Testing the latest (beta) version of Ansgar's high detail AI Pack has renewed some of my enthusiasm, although I can't say that it has been completely restored. In fact, I feel that 2005 could well be the last year that I use FU3 for my flight simulation "kicks", but this will all depend on whether Microsoft can finally introduce some key features of FU3 into their own product. Even though I appreciate that the flight modelling in MSFS can be extremely accurate if enough numbers are included in the code, I still believe that including realistic physics is a better way of simulating flight on the PC. This would solve the problem of rubbish ground handling in MSFS, and it would also allow me to fly without using trim (this is almost impossible in MSFS, and the ONLY reason for this is because the numbers for this type of flight are not added to the calculation tables. After all, who flies a plane without using trim) ?I would also like to see other stuff, like separate key commands for different viewpoints, VFR cockpit views (although these new virtual cockpits look rather tasty), and a completely redesigned interface (the current one just reminds me far too much of all those nasty versions of MSFS that I have experienced in the past). The inconsistent quality of the ground textures wouldn't be too much of a problem, since I really only want to fly around the UK....and the VFR Photographic Scenery from Visual Flight would solve that :-)The only major problem would be the cost. I have estimated (based on those products that I would like to use) that a total of AT LEAST

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I've used several flight simulators since time immemorial (well, since 1998 :-))I'm using FS 9 a lot these days but I won't ditch FU 3. Why is it that flightsimmers feel that they should be dedicated to one single sim only? I mean, if you enjoy Quake or Mortal Kombat, would you feel compelled to shun other action games?I'm a flightsimmer. I don't have any (other) games installed. I enjoy the ground handling of FU 3, the flow dynamics approach to flight modelling, the photo-realistic scenery and the dynamic weather. Whenever I want to check out an aircraft that we haven't got and/or fly out of Chiang Mai in Thailand I launch FS 9. I've got innumerous FS 9 scenery and aircraft addons and there'll be more to come. However, whenever I want to fly a GA plane within one of our splendid FU 3 regions I certainly know which sim to launch :-)Chris, you keep insisting on flying aircraft without trimming them during flight. Why is that? I've set up two joystick buttons for trim and they're the same in all flight simulators. FS aircraft will hardly take off without trimming since the default setting is too far down. In other words, you'll have to trim up a bit to get airborne before running into overspeed. However, once you've trimmed an aircraft for take-off you can certainly keep that trim setting if you like. The obvious downside is that you'll never reach cruise speed but that goes for FU 3 as well.best regards,Hans Petter

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Hans, if I can answer for Chris - and I'm sure he'll answer for himself! - Chris flies low and slow to see the scenery! Me too, but my method is different - if I want to see something I zoom in fast, shut off the throttle, lift the nose, stall downwards so that I'm flying AT the thing I want to see, then try to pull up before a close encounter of the earth kind. Or I fly close, then hop out of the cockpit, freeze the sim and go looking using F5 view. I can't wait to get my pilot's licence and start doing this around Sydney airport ...I'm sorry our little community is dwindling. I still enjoy the sim because I have been involved heavily in developing it, and I think that helps create interest - pushing the limits to see what can be done. Looking back, all the developers here have achieved incredible progress. Who would have though that Chris could have single-handedly landscaped all of San Fran and Seattle? Or that Jouko could unravel the AI? Or Dave's work on ATC? Jon' work on everything. Ansgar's cute little planes like the 747, DC3, Concorde? Steffen on scripts. The complex scenery areas by agtim, with detailed terrain and graphics. The outer terrain experts like Martin, Bill. The handy tools for making things like agtim, Gideon. Congrats to all who have contributed, but its the contributing that has made this sim last so long. And Quentin's tigermoth is wonderful - why hasn't it been publicly released yet? Update please developers!RobD.

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Meny moons ago I remoovd the self sentering on my joystik and ever since Iv had no need to use the trim at all.My joystik stays presisly wher ever I leev it.If I want to go a little faster, I push the stik a little forwoerd,and If I want to go a little slower, I pull it back a bit.My joystik is so easy moov, it can be mooved with fether, and it makes for real smooth flying like this.I dont think I will ever change this way fo flying.Smooth like a dreem.glidernut.

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Hans,The bit about trim was more to do with the "physics modelling" side of it. I can quite easily fly a plane using the trim controls in FU3 (and have done so on numerous occasions). I was just trying to emphasise that accurate modelling of flight dynamics across the ENTIRE ENVELOPE is very important to me. Some MSFS planes may well be capable of this, but many are not (IMO). I take your point about this though, and I will endeavour to fly my planes "properly" if I ever purchase FS2006 ;-)The simple explanation for my flying in FU3 without using trim is that it is EASIER. I am not a hardcore flight simmer like many of you here, and flying around without having to touch the trim controls (controlling ascent and descent entirely by engine power alone) allows me to concentrate on actually ENJOYING MYSELF. You see, I'm a bit of a scenery fan. I like to look out of the window on a regular basis (which is why I hate bloody panels that occupy 85 per cent of the screen). It's also why I thought that FS5 was quite possibly the worst flight simulator ever designed. Photorealistic graphics ?!! Photorealistic my a*** ;-)Chris Low.

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>You may recall that I like my flight simulators to be PERFECT Oh, that's right...I forgot ;-) Perhaps one day MSFS will include a Hi Res download of everyone's favorite single area and include it in the base price of the software. Would make an appealing feature I think..

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Hi Daniel,hmmmmm, as said above from others also:everybody has time periods were he needs some other "air" to look in, or simply to see something else also. In your case it seems now a bit more than that because you would like to "switch over" to FSx completely. I didn

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Hi Ansgar (and the rest of the gang)... thanks for your nice words, and don't worry, even if I don't plan to use FU3 anymore, I'll be keeping an eye on this forum, just in case you decide to call for new chats or something... (just take into account the Superbowl is around the corner, and I'm already missing the opportunity to brag about the Rams once again) :-lolBlue skies!!http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/103611.jpg

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Daniel,I have also come to regard FS04 as my default flight sim. The improvements in graphics and "feel" become adictive very fast. But like I told you in a mail on the 12th (that apparently you didn't get?) I haven't had time for any simming for 3 or 4 weeks now between work, family problems, and my search for a replacement for my old RX-7.But I think Stag and some ot the others have hit it on the head... this community is more about a core group of friends who share a love of flight simming than it is about any particular sim. I still love FU3 and consider it far better than any other up to but not including FS04. There is still a lot to be said for it's photo-real scenery. I know my knowledge of the SF area from the air that I got from FU2/FU3 added to my enjoyment in the United Airlines full motion sims.OH... regarding my search for a replacement for my RX-7... have a look here:http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...g_id=7784&page=Anyway I hope you still keep coming around. You are an important part of this community! :)PS - I'll try to get you a more complete answer to your e-mail over the next couple of days... did you get the one on the 12th?

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I forgot to say that the great thing about this here forum is that you don't get lost in the shuffle like can so easily happen in some others... that be strictly IMHO of course. :)

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Though others have already made the point, actually using Flight Unlimited 3 is no requirement for participation in this forum. Take a look at the ProPilot forum... it's a far "deader" flightsim, yet that group remains together, and it's even smaller than this group. I don't think any of them even use ProPilot anymore.And me, I'm somewhat embarrassed to admit that I do no flightsiming at all anymore. I never installed FU3 on this system, though the latest version of MSFS is on the drive. But it's untouched for quite some time now. What gaming I do is racing simulations (Ever heard of the Racing Fools forum? ;-) ) when my chronically-painful shoulder allows it, but mainly Bookworm, Kyodai Mah-Jongg, and Pretty Good Solitaire. Hey, I'm old. :-)Anyhow, this is family. I think that AVSIM is the only place on the net where you can find Flight Unlimited 3 and ProPilot forums, and they are havens for groups of old friends. Fortunately Tom Allensworth understands this and allows us our "clubhouses". http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/...y/xyxthumbs.gif[table][tr][td valign=top]http://www.avsim.com/other/usaribbon.gif[/td][td valign=center]Bob "FlyBert" StilesAVSIM Moderator[/b][/td][/tr][/table]"Don't stall on me, I have to soar!"~Richard Harvey, 1/21/2003

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Hi Bob & Tom... nice to read from you both!! :-)Just review message #14 in this thread: you'll see I completely agree that not using FU3 anymore doesn't mean not visiting this forum here, so don't worry about that... (Uhmmm... just forget the part about the Rams, OK?) :-rollBob: I hope you can get back to racing sims eventually... should see the newer products from Bugbear (makers of Rally Trophy): Tough Trucks and, specially, Flat Out!! :-eekTom: Yes, I got your e-mail, but I simply didn't know what to answer, I don't feel really qualified to advise you on which car to buy. In addition, I was somehow surprised to see a family man looking for sports cars (call me prejudiced...), but if that's the question, I'd have gone for the full-sports one, the Miata... I see you've finally decided differently, though. Found also interesting your clearly defined preference for Japanese cars!!About "getting lost in the shuffle"... yeah, I'd probably do if I went to the MSFS forums... but for the kind of flight I'm interested in, I've got more than enough with the BFU forum... and that's also a really nice place!!I will be waiting for your e-mail, thanks in advance ;-)Best regards to all,

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Daniel,"Yes, I got your e-mail, but I simply didn't know what to answer, I don't feel really qualified to advise you on which car to buy."I would have been curious as to your impressions."In addition, I was somehow surprised to see a family man looking for sports cars"I'm not so sure I qualify as a "family man"... beed married for 30 years in June but I have dogs not kids... they are cheaper! ;)But if it makes you feel any better I still have my truck. It has what they call an "extended cab". It will seat five people if I fold down the rear seat. It is up about 99.4% of the time so I have the inside storage available. Then there is Rhonda's so called mini-van... pretty big for a mini... will seat 7. It is only the RX-7 which seats a maximum of 2 that I'm getting rid of. Actually it is technically already gone... been signed over and I don't have any keys but it is still in my driveway. They were supposed to have picked it up! Now they are putting it off until Monday... I want my driveway back!Also the Spyder technically seats 4. And we have tried that out... with Freddie & Holly in the back. That back seat is just about right for them. :-lol"I'd have gone for the full-sports one, the Miata... I see you've finally decided differently, though."If you saw my note to Stag down in RF then you know about my decision... I do like them Miatas."Found also interesting your clearly defined preference for Japanese cars!!"Well I can't afford a Covette and they don't make Camaros or Firebirds anymore... and the new Mustangs don't have convertibles. But to pick a couple of nits the Eclipse is made somewhere in Illinois and the 3.0L V6 engine comes from Canada. These days the makes don't tell you much about where they are made. There are plenty of Fords & Chevys that are not made in the US. But if it makes you feel any better I've been driving GMC trucks for about 19 years now and Rhonda's van is an Oldsmobile... which replaced her Chevy Blazer that died on top of 4th of July Pass last August. ;)I'll try to get to that e-mail tonight or tomorrow. :)

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Howdy Bob-san,Another Kyodai Mahjongg player here :-)p'raps we should start a mahjongg forum :-loljust to cater for the minority (that'll be us then).....:-wavePete

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... these pictures in the post above but the forum software wouldn't let me load them.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/103888.jpgMy '97 GMC Sierra "extended cab" 4X4 pick-em-up.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/103889.jpgCute "little" thing... complete with a 350ci (5.7L) V8, 26 gal fuel tank, & half ton payload.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/103890.jpgIf you look close at the rear of the cab you can see a bit of the rear seat... it folds down into a nice wide bench seat that also makes a pretty good bunk for one if you need one.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/103891.jpgRhonda's '03 Oldsmobile Silhouette "mini" van. It has "captain's chair" seating in the front and 2nd rows... good for 4... then there is a fold down rear bench seat for 3 in back that is always folded down... need the storage space not the seats.For people familiar with FU3 scenery... this ain't in it... but the shot was taken at Vantage and you can see the I-90 bridge over the Columbia River in the background. Go West on I-90 for a couple of hours and you will be near Snoqualmie Pass and into the FU3 hi-res.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/103892.jpgMy old '88 RX-7 which I'm sorry to say is still sitting in that exact spot in my driveway. I guess I should feel some remorse at it going but I don't own it anymore and I need the parking space. It was tons of fun in it's day now I'm ready for something new(er). I have had it for 11 years. :)So you see Daniel if I had a family I'd have plenty of room for them to ride in total comfort! ;)

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I was going to jump in here but I'll just say that we all have other things to distract us from time to time and FU3 (for that matter, any sim or game) probably started for many of us as a 'pleasant distraction' ;)I have just found it very rewarding and a great way to spend my 'nerdy time'. I won't argue FU vs. MSFS here - I am aware of the benefits of both. It's just that for some reasons (the wonderful folk here for example), I am happier to be part of the FU3 family.If I had all the time in the world (and lotsa money), I'd have 'em all.But, I don't :-rollSo, please don't be a stranger, OK? :-waveRegards,**************Jonathan Point**************"I'd rather be down here wishing I was up there than up there wishing I was down here"

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After all that's been said , I Enjoy this community of friends and fellow pilots . Through the years I have learned a lot and contibuted some . I now have friends from all over the world that share the common interest of flying . So swapping stories or flying missions in Our FBO and sipping coffee or whatever Is a part of my life that I enjoy very much . FU3 still amazes me And as far as I'm concerned,is not that much out of date.(technically speaking).IF IT AIN'T BROKE ,DON'T FIX ITCaptRolo

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