Ant1975uk

Ah so its not their fault. They are 'forced' to introduce features at the cost of the customer. Doesn't matter if that customer has invested x amount and cant enjoy the sim as its supposed to be, its just tough luck because the alright jacks of Noel, Fsiscool and co are doing ok. You can always introduce features but you have to take the time to test them thoroughly. They just don't do this, although im sure you will say the opposite. They only agreed to slow down the update roll out process this year due to the amount of mess they were creating that was causing the community to get frustrated. I was going to update to SU13 a few weeks back, but of course at the time, you couldn't even install it correctly due to poor download speeds and other issues (or have I imagined that too?). Oh I almost forgot, the whole sh*tstorm cooked up over the marketplace and the lack of quality assurance that was supposedly introducing better testing methods for third party apps and the lack of being able to get refunds for broken content (unbelievable they didn't test add ons on an actual xbox). This of course didn't exist especially as I bought Orbx Auckland for PC and Xbox after the fact, with the xbox version flattening the entire area around the map. Yep they really did the quality checks they promised, then released it for sale anyway. Anyway lets leave it there.

Yep, definitely an alright jack.

Ah so its me and my PC's fault. Got it.

It's nothing like a miracle and its exactly this attitude and outlook that affords Microsoft and Asobo the leeway to be sloppy.

I haven't been around here much. Do I need to be?

Why do people equate criticism to misery? Really odd way of looking at things. Criticism and feedback in the right hands feeds progress. Pandering feeds regression. Remember that.

I asked a valid question. I don't spend every waking moment of my day on forums and I call a spade a spade. The world has become soft. Also why would you go check a posters history unless you feel like your game is threatened? Strange behaviour.

Well I suggest you go over to the official forums and dip into the official SU13 feedback thread. It says hi.

You are fortunate.

This game is unstable and thats a fact Mr Btacon. Go visit the forums. A stable game would be working for everyone across multiple platforms. Nice hat.

Oh Noel. I own it on both Xbox and PC. I user test software for a living. I once spent literally days of my time for free helping out Seafront Sims with some conflicts I was finding. I dedicated hours and hours and hours to testing all manner of third party add ons for the Xbox community to try and guide users into not having a CTD fest in their sessions. But I won't do that anymore because either its too big for Asobo and they cant cope or they have their eye off the ball. If you are an alright jack, lovely, enjoy your sim. Just because its probably the only sim on the market worth playing doesn't excuse the amount of money and time people drop on it only to be continually frustrated. For every happy Noel, theres an unhappy simmer. When it works its exceptional, when it doesn't that literally means its broken. I consider it broken if live weather fails to load, if third party or even first party add ons crash the game, if ground textures and maps fail to stream. Theres lots of other things too but you get the point.

Ah don't worry about me pal. I work for a global IT company helping to design and build software. I'm well aware of the problems Asobo could face, but like anything if you are sloppy you just make things worse and they are sloppy with their QA. I cant imagine if we treated our software releases like msfs we'd have no customers left. Its because there's only really one flight sim worth having which is why everyone puts up with it. I understand you get bugs but when the same features break constantly, map textures, weather, clouds etc its just baffling. I remember one release there was no night lighting...none. How did that get past testing? No lights across the planet. Crazy.

So is this game still broken? The amount of good will afforded to Asobo and Microsoft is indeed staggering. This game has been out for a few years now and its still not in a stable state. Its also getting replaced next year which doesn't bode well for its currently iteration. I've just been going through all the official forums and there seems to be nothing but problems on xbox and PC across the board. There was issues with SU13 beta and then the release, and now with SU14 beta so far. It was already a bit of a dogs dinner when I last played which was SU12. Its such a shame because it was a really engrossing sim at one point and beautiful to boot but they just keep breaking everything on every release which is nuts. Things that previously worked shouldn't still be breaking years on from release. Cant imagine what it will be like supporting TWO branches of the same sim next year. Catastrophe no doubt.

They are ripping you off, thats basically the gist. All the points the previous poster made and all the products they pointed out flies in the face of what they are saying. But thats ok, us humans have a way of of simply ignoring the facts to suit us. I used to be excited for picking up the 600 on xbox but I'm no longer bothering. Im sticking to PC as and when I decide to play because its been a massive fustercluck trying to enjoy this sim the last few years, topped off with a brand new announcement. I guess im just tired of constantly trying to get the game to work as it should, dealing with gatekeepers, dealing with sensitive moderators on the official forum, the arguing, the finger pointing, the lot. Maybe one day we will get a game we can just turn on and enjoy without all the drama.

How will what we saw work on xbox? I own both PC and Xbox Series X versions and the xbox version is always teetering on collapse, especially when you load in the A310 or the PMDG or any other slightly complex plane. How are they gonna fit in trees with moving leaves, raytracing, lots of animated humans and tornadoes? The xbox will explode.