April 10, 200323 yr Hello,as Matthias said,The Picture on the left,the real cockpit, is taken from an angle closer to the Captain's side,thus the angle and perspective is different.I really cant see what you mean in the other picture. To be honst,I reckon you should wait till this bird is released,that way you'll know what perspective you're looking from and see any Errors,although Marc is rarely wrong when it comes to perspective!RegardsJohn Mc Avinuehttp://www.bavirtual.co.ukP 2.53 GHZ512 RAMWINXPGFORCE 4 128MB Ti4600http://vatsim.pilotmedia.fi/statusindicato...tor=OD1&a=a.jpg
April 10, 200323 yr Commercial Member Hi Matthias,Those two pictures you are showing are from 2 completely different locations, and two completely different angles. The photograph is taken from the right seat, the PMDG cockpit is taken from the left seat. The photo was taken from a short distance, the PMDG cockpit is from a longer distance. The Photo was taken with one type of lens, the PMDG cockpit taken with another. The photo was taken from the viewpoint of a person of a particular height. The PMDG cockpit was taken by a person of a different height. The photo was taken with the seat adjusted to a particular distance from the panel. The PMDG cockpit was taken from a seat adjusted to a possibly different distance to the panel. The photo was taken by a person that was tilting his head to a particular angle to floor, the PMDG cockpit was taken by a head that may have been at a slightly different angle. The photo was taken by a person who was breathing. In the PMDG cockpit, the camera doesn't breath. If it was a deep breath, the camera might have moved a bit :-lolSo as you can see, the difference in the two pictures is point of view. :)I also encourage you to read the white writing in the large red box that is located below the screenshot thumbnails on the 737NG page of the PMDG web page....Vin ScimonePMDG Vin Scimone Precision Manuals Development Group www.precisionmanuals.com
April 10, 200323 yr Vin, I agree with Mark on his second point. When I saw that screenshot, I thought the angle of the pillar better resembled a DC-3 than a 737. The way the pillar almost lines up at a 90 degree angle with the horizon is visually questionable. Being a semi-artist, I'm very sensitive to perspectives and don't buy your perspectives argument. I don't care what difference in perspectives there are between the two photos, simply the angle of the pillar LOOKS wrong. Thats the most important point. A lot of MSFS developers (not pointing fingers to any one in particular) have used these perspective arguments time and again to refute people's comments about obvious errors in models,panels etc and the best thing for the developer to do IMO, is just to accept the point and quickly change it instead of thinking of counter arguments when there IS a problem.However, its a minor issue, and one that could be easily corrected using photoshop by the user. Nevertheless, I personally think that PMDG team can do much a better job than they are doing now with the cockpit 2D views (for example, the forward_right view) since they are not relying on photographs but on rendered 3D models to generate their interior views.Thomas
April 10, 200323 yr The red box is now at the top of the screenshots thumbnails :7 PeteGraphic Artwork DeveloperpmDG http://www.precision...GX_Dev_Team.jpg PMDG Graphic Designer
April 10, 200323 yr Commercial Member WOA there Thomas-from your comments, I thought for a minute that Rob had released the product without telling me... ;-)Easy there, man! I really think you guys can't tell from the screenshots, what the bird looks like. I, on the other hand, have it installed (;-)), so I can tell you: All perspective is correct ;-).Cheers, Lefteris Kalamaras - Founder www.flightsimlabs.com
April 10, 200323 yr Well this has been more controversial than i imagined!Sorry that the photo wasn't at exactly the same angle/postiton etc as the screenshot but it doesn't need to be when you can see something's wrong. I admit, you can't tell everything from screenshots. I wasn't sure if the view shown was from the VC or a 2D view. If it's 2D, i don't care cos i never look at them anyway but if it's the VC then photoshop ain't gonna help! Even if they don't change it, i'll still buy it cos it is a small problem (but it just niggles me y'know?). By the way, i didn't want to wait until it came out to make this point because PMDG are VERY unlikely to change something like this after the release!I'll just have to sit on my hands and see what happens with the final thing won't i?!
April 10, 200323 yr Commercial Member nope.. I was referring to the one on the bottom...VinPMDGwww.precisionmanuals.comhttp://www.vinscimone.com/dancnkid.gif Vin Scimone Precision Manuals Development Group www.precisionmanuals.com
April 10, 200323 yr Commercial Member Mark-Completely disregarding all the feedback already given on the interior cockpit image- I'll have Marc take a look at it to verify the accuracy of the angle. It's really such a simple thing to do... ;-)I would secondarily add caution that Vin's explanation of differences is spot on.....Oh- and Mark- "PMDG" "DF" and "Competition" in the same sentence? At PMDG we don't "compete" with anyone. We simply make the kind of product that WE would want to buy.That being said- I need to go throw the uniform on...time to head to work and demonstrate why they gave me 4 stripes.... :-coolRobert S. RandazzoPrecision Manuals Development Group http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/coolcap.gifwww.precisionmanuals.com Robert S. Randazzo PLEASE NOTE THAT PMDG HAS DEPARTED AVSIM You can find us at: http://forum.pmdg.com
April 11, 200323 yr Thank you for your helpful answer. And yes i know things can sometimes look wrong when they aren't because your looking from a different angle and all that jazz. It's just... well, who cares, you said you'd take a look at it and that's what i wanted to hear, so no more complaints from me!And about competition. OK you may not be competing, but when customers have two products reperesenting he same aircraft, many will only choose one. Unfortunately, many of these will base their decision on screenshots. Someone may lose profit. However, you haven't lost my money!
April 11, 200323 yr Here is one more perspective http://www.airliners.net/open.file/263112/L/ Not to add fuel to the fire mind you :( Lookin foward to another great product! Fly safe Rob!! Jim Driscoll
April 13, 200323 yr hi guys at pmdg,I hope i'm not too late. I'm not asking for a new feature, but there's a couple of things bugging me about your screenshots.1. The shapeof the cockpit side windows in the external models is almost there but could be tweaked a bit (i'm not THAT bothered, but it would be nice0.2. In the VC/interior view the cocpkit 'A pillar' as at too steep an angle (and this would ennoy me more as i spend most of my time IN the cockpit!). See the included picture to see what i mean.Sorry to whinge about what is going to be an excellent project, i'm sure, bit it's this sort of thing that your future rival (drea@*!"2t) would make sure they did correctly. I hope i haven't caught you too 'late in the day'.Thanks, Mark
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