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Fuel Planner Utility (Beta)

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Hi all,As I was reading the cruise planning document and the fuel planning worksheets, I thought it might be useful to have a small utility program to do the calculations for me. So, I wrote a small application which allows me to enter the cruise altitude, trip distance, reserve fuel, and a few other parameters, and it calculates the necessary fuel loadout and sets the tank levels via FSUIPC. I decided to release the program as freeware (currently in beta form) to the PMDG community for testing and feedback, in hopes that others will find it useful.Take a look at this page for details, including a screenshot:http://www.metacraft.com/737NGFP/If you don't have a registered version of FSUIPC, you won't be able to use a couple minor features of the program, and you'll have to manually set the fuel tank levels, but the main functionality will be there. If you have a registered version of FSUIPC, the program will automatically set the fuel levels for you. I'm going to try to get the program accredited with Pete Dowson so that it won't matter if your FSUIPC is registered or not.Anyway, feel free to download the program and try it out. There is no installation process necessary, just download the file and run it.If any of you 737NG gurus could mess around with it a bit and see if I made any omissions in the fuel planning process, I would really appreciate any feedback.Enjoy!

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Ross,Just downloaded and did a quick fuel calculation. Works great! Thanks a lot. Look forward to the additional features you talked about. This really makes things a lot easier.Thanks Again

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Ross,I just downloaded it and it looks great Thanks so much for sharing it. I'm hoping to do a couple of flights this weekend and I'll let you know how it works out.Thanks again!

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Ross,A great contribution to the community! Thanks, this is one of the most intuitive FP's out there that I've seen. I just have to do a little research to find out conversions of realistic taxi time (mins) to taxi fuel burned (lbs) Perhaps one of the r/w airliner pilots could shed some light on this for me. What would be considered realistic taxi times, APU times, holding pattern contingencies, etc? I realize this probably varies greatly in the real world. I've seen fellow simmers throw around different amounts for these inputs. And FS taxiing used to be fairly quick when you only had to deal with the blokes from Airwave and Emerald Harbor. But with my UT AI traffic, I've been 'chillin' on the taxiways a lot longer.Thanks again for the program, Dave HirschbuhlChief Operating OfficerEagle Express Virtual Airlineswww.EagleExpressVA.com

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RossThanks for the great tool. I have seen that it will not connect with FS2002, even I use a registered FSUPIC.DLL. Is there something to adjust in the settings.Thanks.

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This is an awesome tool! Thank you very much! One suggestion:Could you try to make one version for the european captains here with KGS units?Thanks!Matthias Hoheisel

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Hey Ross, Initial impressions are so far so good. Would it be possible to insert logic so that the center tank always has at least 1000lbs of fuel (which I believe is required by most company SOPs -- sorry if this is misinformed). I think this 1000lbs is in addition to the reserve fuel required in each wing tank.Thanks!Jeff

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hi Ross, I am having a strange problem with it, worked perfectly yesterday but today when I try to start it up it gives me this error "Run-Time Error '9' subscript out of range". This happens wheather or not I have fs2004 running before or after I start the fuel utility. Ive tried deleting it and redownloading it off your website and get the same error :-(.Andrew

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Hrm ... I bet it's a problem with the saved settings for the program, which are kept in your registry. Are you familiar with registry editing?

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I got the same problem but from the get-go. First time I used it, I started FS2004 first, and then when trying to enter values, constantly kept getting the runtime error. It took around 10 tries where I could finally input everything and get the fuel loaded to the aircraft. This is a utility that I was looking for immensely. I understand that it's a beta. I sincerely hope the kinks are able to be worked out. Keep at it!!! =)

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Ross,Thanks very much for your Fuel Utility ... very needed and EXTREMELY WELL DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thank you!!!and Happy New Year!

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Hi Ross,Thanks for the fuelplanner. I've used it today for a "long" flight from KLAX to PHNL. The fuelplanner is great but I found out that the PMDG loadmanager was giving me an other maximum taxi weight than the fuelplanner. PMDG loadmanager: 153500, fuelplanner: 133500.Looking into this I found the 133500 in the PMDG Limitations Manual but I still didn't feel it was right. I had my plane not completly loaded and I could forget a trip to Honolulu because of the amount of fuel I couldn't take with me. Leaving my family behind was an other option. I didn't like that :-) A search on the forum came up with this link. [http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=136&topic_id=14786&mode=full]Thanks again Ross, it's highly appreciated.Regards,Ruud

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Great utility...but I keep getting the runtime-error also. I very much appreciate you taking the time to do this, it's very useful and easy to use.Mikkel

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Thanks for this utility Ross. I think the graphics look neat, I like the way it reads the load out, but reading another post here I need to check if it just reads the default load or the load entered by load manager, and I like the way it automatically fills the tanks (registered FSUIPC).The other fuel planner that was released a while ago also has a problem with the load. If you enter the number of PAX from the load manager the weight in the fuel planner does not agree with the weight givien by the load manager.3 things I would prefer changed.Taxi fuel to be entered as time rather than fuel quantity.It seems you cannot enter a negative wind component (i.e a tail wind)Why is the alternate fuel set at a minimum of 200nm?I have done a number of flights using your planner and it seems reasonable. I have never run out of fuel and never had far too much on landing but all flights have been done using real weather and I haven't bothered to calculate the wind component. Maybe some flights with no weather to check the basic fuel burn.Keep up the good work, I'm sure you will get there with some tuning.

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Thanks for your suggestions.As mentioned on the web page, I elected not to support a tailwind component since I don't see it as prudent to count on something as unreliable as the winds to save you fuel, and thus purposefully reduce the amount of fuel you load into your tanks. I'm sure you've heard some variation of the saying "Three things that are useless to a pilot: Altitude above you, runway behind you, and fuel in the truck."The 200nm minimum alternate is simply because that's where the fuel consumption tables start, which is where the program gets it's numbers for calculations. I'm not sure that having shorter distances will make enough difference in the fuel quantity to matter anyway. At least not when you factor in all the more rough numbers such as taxi fuel, holding fuel, and enroute fuel.Entering taxi fuel as a time value is an interesting idea. If the majority thinks that's a more logical way of entering estimated taxi fuel burn, then I'll make the change.Regarding reading the payload, it reads 4 values directly from FSUIPC, one for each of the 4 payload stations, which are first class PAX, economy PAX, forward cargo hold and aft cargo hold. So if the values don't match what you see in the load manager (it does for me, to the pound) then something strange is going on with the load manager.Thanks again for the suggestions!

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To Andrew and the others getting the runtime error, if you are familiar with the windows registry editor, please open it and open up the tree to the following key:HKEY_CURRENT_USER/Software/VB and VBA Program Settings/FuelPlanner737NG/SettingsLet me know what the values are for the following keys:AlternateDistanceCruisingAltTripDistanceIt would be best if you could email me the info instead of posting it here since this forum is really for PMDG products, and not troubleshooting my beta utility. :) My email address is:pmdg at metacraft dot comObviously, replace the "at" with @ and the "dot" with a period, I don't want email harvesters picking up my email address for their spam cannons.

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Ruud,I had the same question, and posted it here in the forums, and never got a reply. I decided to go with the lower of the two conflicting values (between the docs and the load manager) in order to be safe. I didn't want to encourage people attempting to takeoff when grossly overweight. :)I will increase the maximums for the next beta version, although bear in mind that the utility will not prevent you from going beyond the weight limits. The only thing it actually prevents is trying to load more fuel than will fit in the tanks.

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Hi Ross,I was 'given' your fuel planner by a fellow VA Captain so had not looked at your web page, sorry. It is now bookmarked :-)The reason I mentioned taxi fuel as a time value is that all the other fuel planners I have use time so I am used to that, and I guess a lot of other pilots are the same.On my next few flights I will check the load manager weights against your fuel planner weights, just to make sure I don't get any errors.Again thanks for this utility.

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Ross,Excellent work! Love it. ;)However, I noticed that the max takeoff weight for the -700 is different in load manager than in your fuel planner. Could you or someone tell me why? Which program should I trust? :)

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Trust the load manager ... the values that my program use come from the PMDG documentation, which apparently is incorrect. I will fix this in the next beta version, which will be posted later today I believe.

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I've posted the second beta version on my site. This fixes a bug many were having with a runtime error, and adds support for entering and viewing weight values in kilograms as well as pounds. Grab the second beta here:http://www.metacraft.com/737NGFP/

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