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We are planning to make a big groupflight of all the proud PMDG-owners for the SAG-Area (Switzerland-Austria-Germany) in the VATSIM-Network.The Flight will take place on Saturday, 31th of January and consist of 2 legs from/to the three capital citys:LOWW - Vienna/Austria -> LSZH - Zurich/Switzerland -> EDDB -Berlin(Schoenefeld)/Germany ##departure at LOWW is 1900 Zulu.Everyone is invited to join and maybe some other countrys will make their own PMDG-Groupflight from/to their capital city.Lets get the sky full of PMDGs! -> 31.01.2004 -> its PMDG-Day!

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Hi,The idea is excellent whatever the network is going to be used. Don't you think that as in previous online gathering there should be some material made available before departure. There may be quite a few new simmers recently attracted to this hobby by the PMDG aircraft and who need a hand for online flying.Maybe you can coordinate with VATSIM Europe. What I think is needed will be to provide flight plans, charts, airport sceneries or at least AFCADS, PMDG complete SIDS, STARS and APPS for each airport. Then someone should announce, monitor and manage the frequencies used. Are you planning to have dedicated ATC controllers online during the flights?I know it looks like a lot of work but if you look at previous gatherings especially on the PIC forum (I remember two recent flights one over the pound and another from Africa to Israel) it was pretty straight forward and the VATSIM guys were extremely helpful (as usual).DISCLAIMER:The above reflects only a personal opinion and was written without any intend to offend, harm or criticize in any way or manner any individual, institution, association or company including PMDG.Michael

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Hi Michael,i set up a small info-page where you can find detailed information:http://www.edbb.org/tmp/pmdgGreetsArtEdit: Could someone add this URL to the 1st post in this thread (its closed for editing)? Thx.

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Hi,Very well done. All necessary preparatory work is there.Two or three more questions. Have you already made sure ATC coverage will be online at the date and time indicated? Will the ATC coverage be complete or only partial ie. Approach and Center but no ground or tower or departure. Ideally all positions should be manned all the way. When and where will you release the ATC frequencies and servers so that observers will be able to follow the flights on ASRC or Pro Controller, Servinfo or Whazzup?Sorry to be pushing you but from experience I know how fun it can be if well organized from the beginning. After all it will be the first major online event since PMDG released its upgrade, it should be well prepared.DISCLAIMER:The above reflects only a personal opinion and was written without any intend to offend, harm or criticize in any way or manner any individual, institution, association or company including PMDG.Michael

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>Hi,>>Very well done. All necessary preparatory work is there.>>Two or three more questions. >>Have you already made sure ATC coverage will be online at the>date and time indicated? Will the ATC coverage be complete or>only partial ie. Approach and Center but no ground or tower or>departure. Ideally all positions should be manned all the way.Requests are pending but I think it will work out and we can enjoy full ATC Coverage.>>When and where will you release the ATC frequencies and>servers so that observers will be able to follow the flights>on ASRC or Pro Controller, Servinfo or Whazzup?There is no need to publish ATC frequencies/servers (btw. Frequncies can be found in your charts or at the airport-info pages of the FIRs). ACTIVE Pilots can connect as usual via their Squawkbox-ATC-Directory. Connections from others than Pilots are not intended. Why do you think, most controllers hide their voice-server-line in their ATIS. This is to prevent overload/chaos the channel (wrong settings, ptt-button locked, etc) from additional users. The more users on a channel the greater the chance to get problems.Serious Observers may of course ask ATC via ASRC-Chat for the server and channel.I

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Hi,Maybe I did not express myself correctly. I was not referring to ATC frequencies which can as you said be found on the charts but merely to an IP address to a voice channel where serious observers can dial in. In a way something like what Mike Bevington did for the Kenya-TelAviv event back in September 2003. Have a look at the second message of Mike Bevington in the following thread: http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...20601&mode=fulland you will understand what I meant.Sorry for the confusionDISCLAIMER:The above reflects only a personal opinion and was written without any intend to offend, harm or criticize in any way or manner any individual, institution, association or company including PMDG.Michael

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IP-Adresses and Channels are dynamically used and will not be published. You may contact a Controller on the day of the event via you ASRC-Chat and ask him for his actual Server/Channel.GreetsArt

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Hello guys!>Have you already made sure ATC coverage will be online at the>date and time indicated? Will the ATC coverage be complete or>only partial ie. Approach and Center but no ground or tower or>departure. Ideally all positions should be manned all the way.You can be sure that VACC-SAG will be providing full ATC coverage for the fly-in. Expect myself to staff Berlin Arrival :-).Yours,Martin Georg/EDDFVACC-SAG PR & Events Coordinator *** mailto:sag11@vacc-sag.orghttp://vatsim.pilotmedia.fi/statusindicato...r=SAG01&a=a.jpg

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>Hi,>>Maybe I did not express myself correctly. I was not referring>to ATC frequencies which can as you said be found on the>charts but merely to an IP address to a voice channel where>serious observers can dial in. In a way something like what>Mike Bevington did for the Kenya-TelAviv event back in>September 2003. Have a look at the second message of Mike>Bevington in the following thread:>http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...20601&mode=full>and you will understand what I meant.Hello Michael,ah, got the topic. Let me just explain a small problem: We have two voice programs which theoretically allow a user to connect to an VATSIM voice channel: Roger Wilco and AVC. We do not encourage users to use Roger Wilco anymore, as a Newbie can easily disturb a voice channel if he configures Roger Wilco to something other than "Slow Modem".On the other hand, AVC requires the Observer to be logged in first into the network, either with Squawkbox or with ASRC. When he

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Great idea! too bad I have to work :(Any chance of some orginazing an event like this during the evening hours for North America?Nick

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>Any chance of some orginazing an event like this during the evening hours for North America?Every country is highly encouraged to set up its own PMDG-Groupflight. Pilots should contact the respective Staff for Events in their Region.Art

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Well, I'm the chief of the Los Angeles ARTCC on VATSIM, and the Chief Instructor and I (as well as at least a few of the controllers there) are PMDG devotees, so if you want to do a North American groupflight that includes any of our major airports (Los Angeles, Las Vegas, San Diego, Burbank, Ontario, John Wayne/Santa Ana, Long Beach), I'm sure I can help arrange for some excellent coverage.Regards,Marc SykesZLA ARTCC Chiefwww.laartcc.org

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Hi Marc,Brilliant idea. Only one suggestion before you and your team invest time. Let's wait and see how the first event goes. If well populated then it maybe worth doing it in the States as you suggested. I think, that there will be a lot more candidates for online flights once users get familiarized and maybe once a couple more tutorials are released.DISCLAIMER:The above reflects only a personal opinion and was written without any intend to offend, harm or criticize in any way or manner any individual, institution, association or company including PMDG.Michael

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Hi Marc,I just read a message from Lenny on the PIC Forum reminding all of us of the forthcoming RVSM. There is an interesting link on that subject: http://www1.faa.gov/ats/ato/rvsm1.htm.Since we are in the simulation world would it be a good idea if a group flight in the US could be organized as to simulate the new regulation (or better said de-regulation). I would have thought it could be a good practise for both pilots and controllers.What do you think? feasable? and if yes what would this imply in terms of organization?DISCLAIMER:The above reflects only a personal opinion and was written without any intend to offend, harm or criticize in any way or manner any individual, institution, association or company including PMDG.Michael

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Yes I will be there. How about using PMDG in callsigns so that we identify ourselves.Martin Plain

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>>How about using PMDG in callsigns so that we identify ourselvesBeside that PMDG is not very practicable for communication (Papa Mike Golf Delta four three six eight) and also not a valid callsign (this would be PMG**** or PMD****) I think it would be better to use your callsign as usual and have a "P" instead of the last number likeBAW275PDLH219P..

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Great idea!Count me in! HB-IIP will be my call sign if available.HB-IIP with a "P" at the end ;-) CUBrunoLSZH

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Cool, I'll be there too! :)I'm new to the PMDG now, but I hope to get known with all system onboard. Been flying PSS till now mainly...Btw. 2 months ago, I was at LOWW watching a/c land! You can get pretty close to the rwy 34...Just a question: 1900Z is 20h Vienna, right?Word Not Allowed

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