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It's my impression too. The B1900D has a really nice exterior but the 2D panel is not of PMDG standard. It's not much more than another King Air panel with some justification. And the Garmin GPS 500 is rarely to be found on a B1900D panel. From that point of view I'm not sure if it's worth the money. It also seems that the airplane is too easy to handle at all. I'm not a real life pilot, so I may be wrong in this case, but I think, the flight dynamics are not very well modelled too.Maybe we can expect some improvements in the future.Nevertheless, the B737 is the best aircraft in my hangar.Regards, Tom.

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Please sign your post per forum rules.As indicated on the PMDG Beech 1900D Product page, quote "Moving to the inside of the aircraft, 2D panel has been constructed using images taken directly from the B1900D aircraft. In order to duplicate the layout of the B1900D as closely as possible, we have used a combination fo default MSFS gauges and custom designed PMDG gauges to incorporate layouts unique to the B1900D." end quote.Additional panel configs are possible if you own any of the RealityXP products. Panel config files are available for download from our download section to aid in configuring your RealityXP products.

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As a real world commercial pilot I have found the flight dynamics of this 1900D to be better than any MSFS aircraft I have used (maybe a tie with some of FSD's models). Almost all flight sim aircraft are much harder to fly on MSFS than they are in real life! My neighbor is a 1900 captain and he was pretty impressed with this sim version as well as I was. You can actually fly a stable approach with this and the torque and prop settings reflect accurate real world aircraft performance.I like the 2D panel as it has the proper proportions of a 1900 panel (I have plenty of time sitting in a real one) and if you add in Reality XP JL2 avionics it is almost spot on. I have used this to fly a couple dozen approaches already and it is by far my favorite aircraft for FS9.Great job PMGD! I have been waiting for a 1900 like this for a while. I have already started using it with my real world Beech procedures and checklists to start getting the flows down for when go (I hope) through 1900 indoctrination later this year.Douglas

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Pete,please don't feel offended. I didn't want to rant. Yes, I read the statementen about the mixture of gauges before I bought the aircraft. I didn't want to say anything against the panel layout. I somehow expected the primary flight instruments developed by PMDG to get the well known quality standard established by PMDG. But this was my fault.Good to hear that the FD are close to their real world counterparts. Are the Jet Line 2 gauges a realistic option? I studied a few panel photos at http://www.jetliners.net and found only the layout as implemented in the released version.Regards from Germany, Tom.

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ToniA320 / Tom,In case you missed the dozens of announcements and forum messages and did not bother to read through the product page- the B1900D is part of our new Express line, meaning it is not as complex as our main product line. Thus, there are some gauges that are shared with the default King Air. We have clarified this an uncountable amount of times and so this should come as no surprise to you. After all, there is a reason why you only have to pay $14.95!

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Marc,please don't be so harsh. I like your products at all and appreciate your outstanding support. But please be fair if you are critized a bit in a particular case. As I stated to Pete I don't want to rant and yes, I bothered to read the statements at your product page and at the forum too. But I allways read about sharing "some" MSFS gauges. Please remove all the King Air gauges from the panel.cfg, load the a/c and look what you see. Honestly said, I expected a bit more than a few light switches and autopilot buttons even it is your Express Line. But as already stated to Pete, this was MY fault.Regards, Tom.

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I too have to say that I was not informed because I was lazy enough not to browse the PMDG forums. I was a bit disaapointed in the panel as well and even though this is PMDG's express line whih is much cheaper I still think a little more effort into the panel would have gone a long long way.With the class that PMDG released their last product for MSFS they set new standards in Paywayre aicraft development and now customers have come to high expectations in anything you release. I wish that PMDG will strive to meet these new set standards and the expectations of their customers. However this would not in anyway hold me back from more PMDG products.I will look through some older threads to find out what I've missed. Well only if I had been more informed. :( .. But the over all superior flight dynamics and visual model is quite irresisitible.Cheers .. Terence

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As a customer I have to say that this new product was SPOT ON to what I expected to get after reading up on the "Express Line" of PMDG products. Clearly stated and obviously shown is the fact that they used common Beechcraft MSFS gauges and a somewhat simpler (when compared to the NG) cockpit. The flight model is absolutely superb and the external model is a 10 out of 10 in my book. Sorry but I feel there was no misrepresentation and should really be no confusion about this. Josh

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>It is unbelievable how rude and sarcastic you PMDG people are>to your CUSTOMERS on a PUBLIC FORUM.>>I for one have voted with my credit card and will NEVER buy>any of your products again. You have made a mint from the FS>community and you continue to treat your customers like>idiots.>>Douglas Bateman (MD)>>>>>It is amazing how people can read a message and have two opposite interpretations. I can

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You know, I can't let this one pass without a comment. PMDG is by far the most responsive, polite and genteel of all the publishers of add ons, followed very closely by the good folks at Flight 1 and FSD. The products are excellent and the support terrific. They take time to monitor this forum, answer questions (often the same ones again and again that are also covered in the manual), share their flying experiences and keep folks up to date on progress on their products. They do so with good humor and attention to detail that leaves, say the publisher that charges for its liveries in the dust. Frankly, it is unbelievable to me how some people believe just because they are purchasing a product that they are no longer governed by the rules of good manners and etiquette and that that allows them to treat staff members like servants. Or if they are disapointed with a purchase because they didn't do their homework, how it is not their fault but the one selling the software. I think they deserve gold stars for their patience given the number of time they have to answer the same questions, go over things included in the manual, and in this case, make explanations for something that is very clearly spelled out on the product page and priced clearly below the level of their other offerings. So don't buy their products. In the end its your loss. There are many, many, many more of us who are more than happy with PMDG and their great airplanes.

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You know, I can't let this one pass without a comment. PMDG is by far the most responsive, polite and genteel of all the publishers of add ons, followed very closely by the good folks at Flight 1 and FSD. The products are excellent and the support terrific. They take time to monitor this forum, answer questions (often the same ones again and again that are also covered in the manual), share their flying experiences and keep folks up to date on progress on their products. They do so with good humor and attention to detail that leaves, say the publisher that charges for its liveries in the dust. Frankly, it is unbelievable to me how some people believe just because they are purchasing a product that they are no longer governed by the rules of good manners and etiquette and that that allows them to treat staff members like servants. Or if they are disapointed with a purchase because they didn't do their homework, how it is not their fault but the one selling the software. I think they deserve gold stars for their patience given the number of time they have to answer the same questions, go over things included in the manual, and in this case, make explanations for something that is very clearly spelled out on the product page and priced clearly below the level of their other offerings. So don't buy their products. In the end its your loss. There are many, many, many more of us who are more than happy with PMDG and their great airplanes.

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I bought this new plane yesterday. From the fist flight on I was disapointed because I saw a different HSI on my programm than in your screenshots. It is just the HSI from standard King Air in FS...Can you help me?

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Tom,es war ja nicht nur an Sie gerichtet.The point of the Express line is to provide a stunning visual experience. This includes the detailed exterior model and virtual cockpit/cabin. As a bonus we added the 2D panel, sound package and realistic flight model. If we had gotten our programers involved full time, the price would have gone up quite a bit AND it would have interfered with our main line products like the 737-800/900 and the 747-400. Combined with the free add-on liveries and the panel config files for Reality XP users, the B1900D is more than just good value, especially for a price of $14.95, which is like what- 12 Euro? We also took great precautions in not raising expectations that this would be a highly complex and functional add-on. Thus we created the Express line. Most customers so far have appreciated our efforts in creating a simple to use and fun to fly/great to look at add-on. If you want custom gauges with every switch operative, we offer the 737-600/700 and soon the 737-800/900 and 747-400.Sincerely,

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Marc,understood and accepted. The visual model is outstanding, no question. I'm looking forward to the 737-800/900 and especially to the 747-400 :-)Regards, Tom.

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With all the heavy iron out there it is refreashing to fly something as simple as the B1900D. A King Air on steroids, with nothing but the basics in the cockpit. I have been around many King Airs, and I have to say this is a perfect example of simplicity. Granted some had better avionics packages than others, but for the most part what PMDG is offering here is pretty much right on. Who needs a fancy Garmin GPS when you have a perfectly good VOR.Great work PMDG!Kevin

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You are absolutely right, $14.95 is an extremely good deal, hell I paid more for Carenado's Dakota. And personally I could care less that most of the guages are King Air defaults, big deal. The night lighting is really cool -even if it lights up a bit late in the eveneing- the plane is really beautiful.However I think everything should work, and it doesn't. I tried posting elsewhere and so far no one has acknowledged that there is a slight problem which could be easily fixed.A) On the 2D panel I noticed that there are no fuel guages I had to swithc to VC to see them on the left side by the window.:( I looked in the panel.cfg and noticed the follwing: gauge46=SimIcons1024!Fuel Icon, 1006,372,24,24I also noticed that in the panel folder there is a B1900D_FUEL.bmp. Logic told me that something was amiss.C) In the panel.cfg line above there are 2 problems1) there is an exclamation mark missing (!) after the word "simicons"2) the simicons.cab file that ships with FS2002 does NOT contain a "fuel icon"D) Sure enough, you can bring the fuel panel up with shift+8, which would normally not be a problem, however, the fuel gauges appear to be too far at the top of the bitmap, as well as being oval shaped, too small and distorted, no doubt a further problem in the panel.cfg in the following lines://--------------------------------------------------------[Window08]file=B1900D_FUEL.bmp file_1024=..panelB1900D_FUEL.bmp size_mm=486window_size_ratio=1.000 position=0visible=0ident=250window_size= 0.380, 0.230window_pos= 0.620, 0.770gauge00=Kingair!CrossFeed_Switch, 216,78,46,51gauge01=PMDG_B1900_L_FUEL!PMDG_B1900_L_FUEL, 101,76,100,88gauge02=PMDG_B1900_R_FUEL!PMDG_B1900_R_FUEL, 275,77,100,87This is no doubt just a setting/sizing issue that should not require a great deal of programming. Unfortunately I do not have a panel editor.I hope the attached jpg further illustrates the problem, and it would be extremely nice (pretty please) if a small patch were to be issued.Many thanks

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I believe they are responding to a post that was deleted (not completely sure though).Regards,Jeff

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Sorry, missing your name.There is obviously something wrong with your install. The default install of our PMDG B1900D does indeed have the fuel gauge icon as witnessed by this screenshot. The fuel gauge also does not appear to be distorted as in your attached image. Please try reinstalling the product again to see if that corrects the problem.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/62118.jpg

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>It's my impression too. The B1900D has a really nice exterior>but the 2D panel is not of PMDG standard. It's not much more>than another King Air panel with some justification. And the>Garmin GPS 500 is rarely to be found on a B1900D panel. From>that point of view I'm not sure if it's worth the money. It>also seems that the airplane is too easy to handle at all. I'm>not a real life pilot, so I may be wrong in this case, but I>think, the flight dynamics are not very well modelled too.>>Maybe we can expect some improvements in the future.No need for improvement on this thing, it's just right. Not much more than a King Air panel with some justification?? Dude, that's what a Beech 1900 is, just a big King Air. The 2D panel used is indeed an actual photo of a 1900D panel. And Garmin 530s aren't mounted on the center panel, that's where the radar goes... but who cares? No need for radar in this thing, so why not have a good GPS? When these things were new at Mesa we actually had King KLN-88 Lorans mounted there, was quite nice to use with the EFIS screens.Too easy to handle?? Nahhh, it flies just like the real thing, which is to say, nice. Flies like a big C-182, only better. Can't beat a Beechcraft for nice handling airplanes; the flight dynamics are just fine... my only beef was the ailerons were a bit heavy and sluggish, so I tweaked that right away. Flies great now...Trust me on this, it's a great model. I have roughly 3300 hrs (1100 as capt, 2200 as FO)logged in Beech 1900Cs and Ds; flew 'em at Mesa when they were fairly new. And old 3YV, ugly as that paint is, got a soft spot for it, flew that ship my very first day out as a new captain. Then again, it did blow a prop governor on me that day...Johnformer BE-1900, current B737 FO

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Hello,I had the same issues. I found the file simicons1024.cab on my system within the file veneaviones_ii_fix.zip from the Citation II on Avsim. Putting the simicons1024.cab file in your gauges folder will make the fuel panel icon show up.I found that I had to comment out the file_1024 line in Window08 to prevent distortion of the fuel panel.And, I found that setting night=2,30,30 in the "color" section at the end of the panel.cfg file toned down the panel lighting to a level I prefer.Thanks -- Dick Bixler

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This is in response to Argosdex's postSir, is your screenshot taken from FS2002 ? If so, I can verify that my FS2002 install has no fuel gauge button either. I only have a fuel gauge button in FS2004. I can however bring the fuel gauge up (in FS2002) with the corresponding SHIFT + command ( I think it is shift + 7,8, or 9 ? I can't remember right now). Unlike your fuel gauge though, mine is not distorted.Good Luck,RogerEdited to Add: Ahh, I see that your shot is indeed from FS2002. That explains the lack of a button. The distortion is strange though. Perhaps it would help if people stated upfront what sim they were using the product on, as some issue manifest in FS2002, others in FS2004.

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Hi, see my post above for resolution of the fuel panel in FS2002... Dick Bixler

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