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Is there 3rd party software that will produce a map showing your exact location on the map while you are flying a route in FS 2002?I was thinking it would be nice if it would show your aircraft moving on the map like the web sites showed the location of each commercial flight of Delta and the rest of the airlines before 9/11/01.Stationair

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Hi Stationair,you can't go wrong with Flight Line Avionics: www.reality-xp.com especially since v1.2 release. There is a demo version now available to try out before buy!Hope it helps!

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You're getting lots of options.I always fly in the U.S. running GPSOut (a freeware utility that outputs your GPS coordinates to any GPS capable program) and Topo USA, which shows me the topography of the region and a moving dot as I fly (I can even see elevations, airports, landmarks, mountain, lake and river names, etc.).I've learned more about geography in a month flying this way than in my entire life.

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You can also just turn on the defeault FS2002 GPS it does this as well.Ernie.

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Hi kelleym,Could you tell me more about Topo USA? Where can it be found? R-

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Topo USA is made by Delorme, probably the world leader in mapping software (at least for the general public). You can do a web search for their site, but I think it's just www.delorme.com.They also make Eartha, which is a global mapping program (and which does respond to GPS as well) but it's no where near as detailed as Topo USA (probably due to the unavailable of USGS info for the rest of the world -- that's changing and I suspect in a couple of years we're going to see detailed info for everywhere).

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I found the best, as in cheap, place to get Delorme map software is from eBay. Save money and buy outdated versions for 1/4 to 1/2 of the cost of the latest versions. For a moving map on a second computer, I have Street Atlas USA 6.0 that I paid $15.00. I know where I am real quick looking at the "road map". Plus it is full screen on the second computer. Bob

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Or buy FSFlightMax and a few sectionals. It will show you exactly where you are on the sectional. Great for VFR!

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Need some help, guys.I have Streets 7 by Delorme, Earthmate GPS receiver, GPSOUT.zip, and 2 Monitors.I would really appreciate any help for setting them up with FS2k2. As detailed as can be.If it is too long, you may email at abrahamabyad@hotmail.comThanks.Abeabrahamabyad@hotmail.com

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I've been using GPSOut with Microsoft Autoroute and it worked beautifully

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Are you referring to MS Autoroute 2002 for Europe? And if so, is there a 10-15 second delay in updating the plane's location - as is the case with MS's Streets and Trips for the US - or does the map follow the plane in real time? Also, are there any topographical features shown or identified, such as lakes and mountains?

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Yes, Microsoft Autoroute 2002 for EuropeThere is a little delay, but almost not noticeable. If I remember correctly the delay can be tweaked in the parameter "interval" in the Gpsout.iniAnd yes, the maps have lakes and mountains. In Autoroute you can select to see "road map", "terrain map" or "political map"I had FS2002 running in one computer, with GPSout, and then connected it to a laptop running Autoroute with a serial cable. It worked perfect, as if I connected my Garmin GPS, but showing the position of the plane on the map. Nice.

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This is all great to know. I started with Streets and Trips for the US, then graduated to TopoUSA. I've since been looking for a similar program for Europe, and it looks like Autoroute 2002 may be it until a TopoEurope comes out, if ever. In addition to Autoroute 2002, I've also been looking at Route 66 Route Europe 2001-2002. Do you or anyone else have any experience with this program, and if so, how does it compare to Autoroute? They're priced about the same and appear to have similar features.I have the same type of GPSOut setup you do, and am very satisfied with it. I've also been looking at using FSFlightMax for a European moving map. However, it doesn't have networking or null modem capability yet, and I've not been able to figure out if you can increase the size of the map window. After having a full screen moving map on a 20-inch monitor driven by an old computer, it's real hard to get used to FSFlightMax's 3x5 window on the main monitor.

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I am repeating my plea, could one of you guys give me an outline on how to set the whole thing with the specs I have below?I have Streets 7 by Delorme, Earthmate GPS receiver, GPSOUT.zip, and 2 Monitors.Thanks.Abeabrahamabyad@hotmail.com

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Abe,It's pretty straightforward. You unzip the Gpsout program and put it in your FS MODULES directory (make sure you put it and the Gpsout.ini there -- that was my biggest mistake in trying to get things to work).Then you edit the .ini file for your particular program -- in this case the Delorme software is pretty straightfoward, I think I just used the defaults, but the .ini file is well documented in this regard. If you want to run it on the same computer (as opposed to using a laptop) then you need to have the serial out of that computer go to another serial. So you need two serial ports (on my new computer it only had one so I ended up buying a USB serial port and connecting it to my one serial port). You need to connect the two ports together with a null modem -- this is just an adapter that switches the input/outputs (so the serial ports can talk to each other) and you can pick one up for around $15.Then you run FS, and start up your map program. Put the map program in your other monitor (the other one from FS). In the map program (and I don't have Streets so I can only speak for Topo by Delorme) you tell it to search for the GPS device, and it starts tracking. Switch back to FS and as you fly the program will track it in the other monitor.Give it a shot and if you end up with specific questions we'll try and answer them.

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Abe, as I recall, it's all in the directions to GPSOut. Just connect the machines with a null modem cable - a special kind of serial cable. Then install GPSOut on the main machine and the map program on the second machine. Make sure you don't have a Palm cradle attached to either machine, and if you ever did, remove the Palm software to free up the serial port. If you want a Palm cradle to share the serial port, it's a lot more complicated but it can be done. Then just launch your map program and configure it for receiving GPS input. I have no experience with your map program so I can't help you there. Then launch FS 2002, load a flight, and the plane's location should appear on your map on the second machine.

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Oops, in my haste to reply I failed to notice that you have two monitors but only one machine. So follow the previous poster's instructions, not mine. Sorry for the confusion.

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Thank you gentlemen for your response and instructions.I'll give it a go.Abe

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I have MS Streets and Places. Will FS 2002 work with that? Gosh, that would be terrific.I suppose, if it does, you will have to do an alt/tab everytime you want to look at your position on Streets and Places.Stationair

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Either that or run it on a second monitor (assuming you have a graphics card that supports it) which is what I do with Topo USA.Or... if you have a laptop or other computer you can run it from there. With either option you can watch your position as you fly, a lot better than switching back and forth.

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I have MS Streets and Trips. How do you use it with FS2002? Do you have to have GPSout? Do you have to do an Alt/Tab everytime you look at the map in Streets and Trips when FS2002 is running?Stationair

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I don't have but one monitor.Do you have to use GPSout if you are going to use the same monitor for FS2002 and MS Streets & Trips and use Alt/Tab to go back and forth?If you don't use GPSout, how do you connect FS2002 to Street & Trips?Stationair

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Yes, you'll need GPSOut -- it sends the GPS "signal" so that your mapping software will respond. Having another monitor just means you have someplace else to display the other program at the same time but doesn't affect how you'll set up the connection.The mapping software is designed to receive these GPS signals from the serial port of the computer it's run on. So you'll need to connect the *same* computer's serial 1 out to its serial 2 in, for example, and you'll need to use a null modem (which reverses the pins and makes one an in to the other's out. A null modem usually costs around $15.

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