Gentlemen, 1st off THANK-YOU for a great product !!!!I have noticed a couple of possible bugs in the electrical system, checked the forum and read the manuals without finding anything on the following.1. Completely cold cockpit.. LE Flaps lights still work if deployed. Or, Engines running, all electrical off, LE Flaps Transit light also, since the flaps will move if engine driven hyd. available. 2. APU -- Hard for me to describe but follow this procedure to notice.-- Cold cockpit-- Bat ON-- Stby ON-- Start APU-- APU Bleed ON-- APU bus tie BOTH SIDES-- Bat OFF ## Notice No APU EGT or BLEED PRESS but ELEC still TIED-- Bat ON ## Notice APU EGT shows running but no BLEED even after cycling valves, ELEC still tied !!-- UNTIE APU-- TIE APU ## No ELEC available from APU Still shows EGT as running. If these are confirmed or described why they happen, I sure hope it is in time before the upcoming updates. Regards,Romanhttp://home.new.rr.com/spokes2112/images/Image2.gif

1. Completely cold cockpit.. LE Flaps lights still work if deployed. Or, Engines running, all electrical off, LE Flaps Transit light also, since the flaps will move if engine driven hyd. available.I think you are correct, Roman. I haven't yet looked at the flap position transmitter circuits to see if they would function in this state, but the lamps in the annunciators are powered by the battery bus, so you should at least need the battery on to see these. Early on in beta testing, I recall that PMDG said at one point that they would be unable to programme all the annunciator lights to link them to their respective power sources, so I don't think you will be seeing this in an update. Hopefully this may be seen in the 744."2. APU -- Hard for me to describe but follow this procedure to notice.-- Cold cockpit-- Bat ON-- Stby ON-- Start APU-- APU Bleed ON-- APU bus tie BOTH SIDES-- Bat OFF ## Notice No APU EGT or BLEED PRESS but ELEC still TIED"Switching the battery off at this point should have immediately shut down the APU (Without the normal 1 minute cooldown cycle). The maintenance manual warns you not to do this. Switching on the Battery again would not restart it. I seem to recall checking this during beta testing and it was ok, but further alterations to the electrical system may have upset the logic. "If these are confirmed or described why they happen, I sure hope it is in time before the upcoming updates."It would be nice to see, but I think you might find that this would not be high on the list of current PMDG priorities.Cheers.Ian.

To the Elec sys not working i add the gen DISC switches complitely not working.

Hmmm.... Something else I thought was working in early Beta tests.... but now isn't.Thanks. (PMDG should now be aware of this problem).Cheers.Ian.

Roman-The flaps/slats is actually a problem with the interface between our airplane and MSFS. In order to lock FS out of the animation process for these controls we'd have introduced some very undesired effects in other places. I do not expect we'll fix this for the NG in the near term- and we have not yet discussed how to address it in the 744- although we want to.(Most likely we'll develop the solution in the 744 and work it retroactively into the NG... it's easier that way.)The APU: I'm currently working on the 8/900 electrical system... I'll see if I can't find the source of that- but i can't promise it will make the current update... May have to defer it to the next one due to my current workload. ;-)Claudio posted a followup stating that the Gen Disconnect switches are not working: I just ran a test- and they worked as advertised... Both Gens online... pulled both disconnects- and the generator is disconnected from it's rotational energy source.... (Note: You cannot reconnect these without the help of a mechanic on the ground...)Anyway else seeing the gen-disconnects not functioning? Can you give some information to help me duplicate?

"Anyway else seeing the gen-disconnects not functioning? Can you give some information to help me duplicate?"In my case it is after I've started both engines on the ground (with the APU).The drive lights go out during start. I then switch on the engine gens and switch off the APU. At idle thrust, I then hit any Drive Disconnect switch. The switch moves, but the DRIVE light doesn't illuminate and the generator doesn't trip off (No power loss, no blue GEN OFF BUS lights). I've also tried it at higher power settings.I swap between a PMDG sim and another sim to do testing. Apart from the Fuel Levers not being in the same spot, I don't see anything else unusual.I'm using the -800 2D only and have installed the temporary update.Cheers.Ian.

Ian and Robert,Yes I can also confirm that gen disco switches donot work..WIN XP, AMD 1800+, 1 gig, all PMDG updates http://home.new.rr.com/spokes2112/Image6.jpgRegards,RomanKGRBhttp://home.new.rr.com/spokes2112/images/Image2.gif

Just for the record but IGFLY Tu-154M did there things very realistic, and there slat/flaps can be extended and retracted whenever they want as long as the HYD. pumps are on. Your products like the NG are also very, very realistic but those things are things that would be nice to have in the B744.But your products are realy good and thats why I sertenly gona buy all you future products.

Ramon-Yes... That's true.... They model flight control animations differently than we do.There is always a tendency to assume that differences between products indicate a lack of knowledge or capability with one developer or another. Quite to the contrary- it usually means that the developer had to deal with one or another assorted weaknesses within MSFS, and chose a happy medium that accomplishes the goal they set out to reach- while introducing the least amount of unanticipated problems possible...In our case we chose a style of animation that gives us much greater flexibility to animate the flight controls with low overhead. Not locking the user out of the animations in the scenario that they turn off all control power was a trade off in order to get the additional flexibility....In the case of the 737, we felt this wasn't a bad situation given the manner in which the controls are set up on the airplane.So, as I said, we chose not to lock the user out- or we'd have had undesired side effects...We could reduce the complexity and realism of the current animation set in order to accomplish that lockout- but we prefer things the way they are....

I can't do anything to confirm the DISC are not working.I can only say i do not have the interim update as i did not have the N1 problem.Robert, this is a little off this topic, are you still trying to let us manouver the speedbrakes with an analog while maintain functionality?