IGS Runway 13

[Guest pierre974]

Nostalgia - Do you remember the good old days ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TONxs3IJaTcDo you know other thrilling approaches for the B744 - I mean real world procedures that are still used today ?:-violin

[cowpatz]

Yes that approach was great fun. I used to operate there in an old 747-200. Often on layovers we would venture up to the checkerboard and sit and watch some of the approaches. Lots of varied methods but the one that seemed to work the best (at least for me) was to veer slighlty left when visual so as to allow a greater radius of turn to line up with final and not to be tempted to cut the corner. You also had to maintain the descent during the turn or you would end up high when finally aligned and then have to do a dive for the runway.The only other offset approach I can think of offhand is the LDA 26 at PHNL (Honolulu). That can be fun in certain wind conditions and the wide reef runway can give an illusion of being too low. CheersSteve

[markadeane]

We fly the old IGS approach in the 737NG simulator I instruct on and it's always a challenge. Good fun though, I did an hour's circuits there a while back and found what Steve said above worked quite well, if you 'go wide' slightly it makes the turn a bit more gentle and easy to control. Keep the descent going though, throwing your 737 or 744 at the ground because you're too high is generally agreed to be bad form. :-)The other fun Kai Tak experience that people seem to overlook is a heavily laden departure off Runway 31. You have to turn quite steeply to the left after take off to avoid the high ground.Another interesting curved approach is the Parkway visual into KJFK Rwys 13 L and R. Charts available at www.airnav.com. The corresponding Canarsie Climb off Runway 31 L or R is also a blast, requiring an immediate left turn after positive climb to stay parallel with the shoreline. The ITVV Concorde DVD has a fantastic demonstration of this departure.

[Guest benhoffman]

The Parkway Visual and co located VOR/DME approach to the 13s at JFK are used (as are the Canarsie & Breezy Point climbs) to keep traffic clear of the LaGuardia airspace corridors; they're fun to try! :)

[macpac22]

anyone have any short flight plans to practise the approach?

[Guest pierre974]

Thanks for the hints...Cheers :-wink2

[Guest benhoffman]

There is also the offset LDA/NDB Runway 08 for Juneau, Alaska (JNU/PAJN)I hear this is quite a difficult approach.

[Check_Airman]

I've heard many people talk about Canarsia and Breezy point climbs out of JFK, yet airnav doesn't have those names, what are the official names for these SIDs?PaulEdit: Boy do I feel like an idiot...those are just parts of other procedures...

[markadeane]

HAPIE3 is the departure you're after. :-)

[Guest benhoffman]

Its on all JFK DPs KENNEDY9 (soon to become KENNEDY1)GREKI3HAPIE3MERIT3etc