Hello gents,I'm new for the flightsim and I would like to ask a question regrading landing this bird on a runway that doesn't have an ILS. What are the procedures that I have to follow in order to land this bird?Thanks,Fido

;-)Turn off the autopilot and fly.You can leave the Flight Director on and engage APP mode to get cues on the AI for a little help.

Get some real world approach charts, most localiser and gps approaches have waypoint reference's with step down altitudes ,all these can be entered into the fmc. You can then let the aircraft fly the approach in LNAV VNAV, or with the FD only and the autopilot disconnected if you like. Therer are alot of different ways to do this, its up to you.

Chuckle...get charts and approach plates, gotta love "glass" pilots.What you really need to do is develop a system and a plan. If you are lucky ATC will vector you in for the visual but you still have to get from about 2,000" agl to the runway.....In the real world we figure a PDP (Plan Decent Point) on visual and non-precision (no Glide slope guidance) approaches. DO NOT confuse this with a VDP on the approach charts.There are two quick n dirty methods for this based on a 3 degree/700 fpm descent (your milage may very):Distance is roughly figure one mile to descend 300' So if you figure backwards from the field elevation you can roughly figure your descent point (keeping in mind the effect of the wind on your groundspeed).or the time method is you loose 10' per second. If you cross the FAF and know the field elevation you can calculate the time after the FAF to the PDP when you start the descent.When you aquire the runway environment use the visual cues to land such as PAPI lights etc.One of the great draw-backs to FS2k2 flying is you are doing it 99% of the time solo so there are no gray haired wise captains to teach you the tricks and answer questions.If you are really keen on learning good heavy iron flying get Webb's book "Fly the Wing" or Mike Ray's "757/767 Simulator Checkride procedure manual"-both do a fine job in teaching various little tricks and procedures.Hope this helpsTim_757

Hunh?Actually one the real Quick n dirty methods is placing the "green arc" on the approach end of the runway in the ND when you have the scale below 20 miles....kind of frowned upon though. By chaning the rate of decent value the arc will move but it is tricky business.The rate of descent will translate to cues on the flight director for descent but watch the juggling between the rate of descent and airspeed.Best thing is just figure a PDP and adjust as needed to make your crossing points (see seperate post on how to figure that out)Tim_757

Private pilot 23 years, "Glass pilot-only 4 years"

first of all: not a real world pilot!!second: imho i agree with wallace: get the charts and use step descents, after that i'd try and get visual on the runway asap and glide her in on visual cues. Of course, maybe i'm missing something here.. well i do miss a lil' paper that qualifies me as a transport pilot but hey... just what i'd do so don't believe it... just want to see if i'm doing this right in the sim...Cheers

Everyone will have their own preference ,I answered a simple question with a simple answer in referece to flying PIC on the PC ,not in reference to R/W procedures. I simply stated my way of flying to an airport without an ILS ON in FS2002. Approach charts are a great learning tool for the begining pilot, familiarizing yourself with them on the PC is a good learning tool for the R/W.

Try www.smartcockpit.com/b767/ (specifically http://www.smartcockpit.com/b767/visual%20approach767.PDF)Best of luck

If you were not aware fellas, Tim 757 is a real world pilot on the 757 and I would think that this has some weight in my opine :)[h5]Best Wishes,Randy J. SmithSan Jose Ca[/h5][h3]" A little learning is a dangerous thing"[/h3]AMD [pink]XP[/pink] 2200 |MUNCHKIN 512 DDR RAM |ECS[/b ][i] K7S5A MB[/i] |GF3 64 MEG @ 215/545|WIN XP PRO |MITSUBISHI DIAMOND PLUS 91 19"

Thats no excuse for the sarcasm in his reply. "chuckle"

Well now that I see that he was refering to your post with the "Chuckle", I can understand why this bothers you, although you should not take it too personal. I don't think he meant to come across in such a manner, but I am not making excuses or apologies for his remark. I'll let Tim do that.[h5]Best Wishes,Randy J. SmithSan Jose Ca[/h5][h3]" A little learning is a dangerous thing"[/h3]AMD [pink]XP[/pink] 2200 |MUNCHKIN 512 DDR RAM |ECS[/b ][i] K7S5A MB[/i] |GF3 64 MEG @ 215/545|WIN XP PRO |MITSUBISHI DIAMOND PLUS 91 19"

To be honest, I did "Chuckle"....not at Wallace in particular (sorry that you took offense and regarded is as sarcasim), but at how many times I have run across this from RW and sim pilots who fall back on letting the "glass"/apprch plates/GPS think for thems without doing the thought-process of what will it take to get the plane down the final 6,000' regardless of the weather.Flying should ALWAYS be a mental challenege no matter what situation you are in.YOU still have to figure what you will need to do to "fit" your airplane (be it 747 or mighty Cessna) into the parameters not only of the "charted" restrictions but the environment as well. I believe that was the original aim of the poster's inquiry. Just telling him to go gets some "charts" does little to educate the pilot on the mental "process". What if it is CAVU and ATC has you at 7000', and clears you for the visual (or just a simple PD descent from middle altitude)? Will you just "dive" down to the first crossing restriction? (Do that and you will ruin the aircraft's efficient operation, cost more $$$$ which adds up in a year's time spread over an entire fleet(s) operation-granted a sim-flyer rarely thinks of being laid-off due to high operating costs)How will you know when or where to start your descent from 7000'? You can start all that programming on the FMC, punching buttons to set up all your approach crossings etc but then you are distracted from scanning out the window, ATC radio and flying the plane/autopilot. Throw in a TCAS chirp and watch the fun begin. Yes, there are limitations as to what visual "cues" MSFS can display for a smooth arrival (It has gotten a lot better though). There is also that WONDERFUL MSFS ATC/AI system to contend with as well.I enjoy the mental challenege of MSFS and flying in general. Actually I believe 99% of virtual pilots do too. Every new post on any AVSIM forum or question I get at a FBO is generally a request for more understanding, clarity, knowledge, adding a piece to the "puzzle".Yup, and if I was asked the same question in person, I'd "chuckle", smile, sound off about "glass" pilots, buy him a soda from the vending machine and then tell'em about figuring "PDPs", "VPs". So who-ever posted the original question, I owe you s soda. You still gotta fly.Tim_757 (still collecting a paycheck after 20 yrs)

Hi RandyThanks for jumping in but I'd appreciate it if you didn't throw my qualifications into the forum...sometimes it limits the discussion where some would consider my experience in the RW "transparent" to MSFS. It also leads to a bunch of unwanted emails in my box....Sometimes the MSFS world demands different techniques than what I am used to. That is why I lay-low on the PIC767 qual side since as good as it may be, it ain't perfect.Next time I get out your way I'll buy you a soda (since 9-11 I can't show you the plane without an act of Congress and outher paperwork) if you'd like and we can swap flying stories....Tim_757("There I was, one engine on fire, fresh FO, snowstorm, cold cup of coffee.....)

Hi Tim,I have Fly the Wing, its a great book but i was wondering, could you tell me where i could get Mike Ray's 757767 Simulator Checkride procedure manual ?Thanks