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LANDING CHALLENGE!! I08

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I've gotton kinda interested in virtual moutain flying and looked up some moutain airports on the net and found a bunch of good airports in idahothis is the round robin i'm trying to fly:KBOI - 3U2 - U60 - I08 - 85U - 79U - S81 - KBOIeverything was going well until i tried to go from U60 to I08 - HOW IN THE WORLD CAN ANYONE LAND ON I08???!!!! can you folks like to try it and make it, please tell me how you did it, I consider myself an above avg. fltsimmer (simming since ver 3.0) and I just cant seem to get this, all was fine yesterday until i came in to high and i went to power up and no power - went into the hill and trees, not good.I tried the above using the piper archer,can someone try it using the C208GC ?? or any plane for that matterthanksciao!Brian S

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Hey Brian,Certainly sounds like an interesting route you have there! I too agree that there is nothing better than mountain flying within Flight Simulator, especially since FS2002 brought VFR flying into its element. I'll go take a look at I08 and get back to you. :-).

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Try comming in from the south, using creek valleys. :-)

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HiU60 to I08 can be done with the Cessna or Baron58 the key is to carry a low amount of fuel, say 30%, no flaps,trim up and try to keep to the runway.Hope this helps

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No Flaps?????Doesn't seem right... I did it last night right before I went to bed, came in from the north and still managed to hit the runway (3/4 down) ;-)))Hit a tree, then went to bed ;-))

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Never tried it in MSFS, but here's what my trusty Flight Guide has to say about I08:Own risk. Not recommended except pilots with local knowledge. Can be hazardous; might be closed in spring. Land rwy 2, takeoff rwy 20; go-around not possible (high terrain). Summers recommend arrive/depart early morning or late evening.Since this airport is at almost 6000 ft, make sure your mixture is set for maximum power before takeoff. In spite of another response, I'd approach this airport with full flaps since your speed will be considerably lower.Dan

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>Since this airport is at almost 6000 ft, make sure your >mixture is set for maximum power before takeoff. In spite >of another response, I'd approach this airport with full >flaps since your speed will be considerably lower.Having taken a run at this airport several times of late (I'd initially thought I wanted to pick up with BFU, but since I'm still a rookie at finding the smaller strips, I went off to practice by myself)....Absolutely you must land with full flaps. A STOL type aircraft would be a good idea, too. Lizardo's suggestion of following those creek valleys is spot on! Or you can check this BFU thread for a [a href=http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/DCForumID44/349.html]father/daughter fishing trip[/a] and see how it was done.

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Brian,Have a look at http://www.mountainflying.com/cabinck1.htmThere you'll find info about Cabin Creek USFS (I08), including the figure 8 approach. Click on the thumbnails on that page to enlarge. "Remarks: Go-around is NOT possible; this strip requires that the proper approach be made ... every time." Hope this helps.http://httpd.chello.nl/~j-kusters/logo.gif(when my sig doesn't show: my provider has something messed up with the members pages) [link:Ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Tradewind/"]Visit TCA TradeWind ]Jozef[/font

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Well, you inspired me to try that airport. That forrest in front of RWY 3 is now littered with about 10 Cessnas! :-lol Then I tried the other way...(rwy20) and that end is also littered with 3 Cessnas...err pieces of Cessnas. I got out finally by turning left after take-off and dodging trees like a race car. I turned left in the valley and climbed....hardly. Then I turned left at the next valley and went past another airfield...went straight and there was another airfield....so I said OK, let's settle her there. I descended, did some circles and came in from the south of the strip..over the mountain, full flaps, nose down...but I was too high and I gained too much speed so I initiated a go-around, turned right to get away from the huge rock-face in front...but the ground was rising fast and I littered another Cessna in the forrest.I started over taking off from I08..dodging trees, go to that strip again...circle around, descend over the hill and i came too fast...go-around...GULP! Again? This time I turned left and i made tight circles between the mountain faces until I climbed over them. Then I came around again...descended in circles above the strip...and lined up...I side-slipped the plane to lose speed and I wacked the ground at 100KTS in a side-slipped position...I misjudged my height coming in nose-down at 120 KTS...with full flaps!!!!Now I can honestly say that Mountain Flying is not for me... :-lolAny advice for a lost cas like me? Is there a better plane then the C-172/182 to use in these strips...except a helicopter?Take careMike

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easy... use a helicopter... especilly a huey! they will get u out of anywhere!Dan

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OK I first tried it with the trusty Baron. The first time, I flared off about halfway down the runway but I came down too hard and I wasn't perfectly level so I crashed upon touchdown.Another try with the Baron. This time I flared out about 3/4 down the runway. I started retracting the flaps right away and hit hard on the brakes but I ran into a tree at the end of the runway (those replacement Autogen trees are dense! and hard!).Screw the Baron. I figured it would be easier with something slower so I choose the Cessna 182 with the RealAir .air file. This time I came down quite nicely and slammed the brakes. I rolled and rolled and rolled...and finaly I rolled to a stop. I passed the end of the runway but I didn't hit anything this time. It was pure luck, the next time I tried it, I rolled into a tree again. I guess the fact that the Cessna is slower was outweighed by the fact that I use the Baron 75% of the time so I'm really used to it.So the problem I have is comming to a stop before the end of the runway. I also come out misaligned on final many times so I have to keep correcting it as I'm about to touch down and all the time, the end of the runway is getting closer and closer and you see that huge mountain ahead of you growing taller and taller.But the bigger problem for me is getting OUT of the airfield. I always loose to much airspeed in the climb, stall and hit the mountainside. I have to use slew mode to take off...how is everyone doing their takeoffs from there?

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Yu problem is stopping eh? My problem is touching the ground... :-lol I either balloon over the runway and decorate the mountain-side or I touchdown like a brick at 120KTS and make a crater in the runway! :-lolGotta keep trying...and I want to get out and back in without a helicopter...because I cannot even get off the ground with the helicopter.Take careMike

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:-lol :-lol First of all...read my feature article on Mountain flying in Computer Pilot Magazine..... it's been written based on own experience and stories by real mountain flying instructors. It indeed tells you about the dangers of flying in the mountains, at high altitudes, off small landing strips. Dangers such as limited space to turn around, no space to overshoot, low oxygen for your engine etc. So take that into account.In France, and I am sure in other countries as well, you need a special license to even land there... it requires at least 10 hours additional instruction from a qualified outfit.As for how to do it... first of all, pick a qualified aircraft. Regular mountain pilots do not fly the run of the mill Cessna into those places ;-) STOL aircraft are recommended, powerfull engines too, but no speed! Take a Porter Pilatus, a Beaver, a Jodel or Robin, or (with losts of patience to get there) a Piper Cub ! That will make your life a lot easier ! :-) Then landing is done with full flaps and as low a speed as possible. Slamming down your aircraft on the runway is never a good thing, except in a real emergency, and is not recommended by any manufacturer. If you balloon over the ruway that means you have too much speed and too much flare! Come down in landing configuration with low speed in a steady descent, aim for a spot on the runway that clears you from the trees. If you fly a flat approach you will see the trees in your way and have to 'dive' down after clearing them...not good ! (Unless you literally want to 'clear' the area :-lol )But first thing to do in all cases is circle the airfield to understand the approach, see the best path between the mountains and plan your access. Remember, many airstrips in the mountains can only be accessed from one direction, departure and arrival in opposite directions, so you also need to make sure nobody is taking off from the strip you want to land on ;-)Have fun and let us know how you are doing !! :-jumpy :-jumpy :-outta Francois :-wave[table border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0][tr][td valign=bottom" align="center]"At home in the wild"[/td][td valign=bottom" align="center][link:avsim.com/alaska/alaska_051.htm|Don's Alaskan Bush Charters]"Beavers Lead the Way"[/td][td valign=bottom" align="center][link:www.avsim.com/vfr_center/mainpages/vfr_flights_main_page.htm]VFR Flight Center]"Looking Good Outside"[/td][/tr][tr][td valign=top" align="center]http://avsim.com/hangar/air/bfu/logo70.gif[/td][td valign="top" align="left" colspan=2]http://www.fssupport.com/images/moose2.gif[/td][tr][/table]________________________Francois A. "Navman" DumasAssociate Editor &Forums AdministratorAVSIM Online![/bemail: fdumas@avsim.com________________________

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Cool! That's great advice. Most of the things I was aware of and I was thinking about the things you said but it's easier said then done.. :-lolI'll go and download some nice powerful plane...what do you recomment? Is there a nice one with a VC?I'm sure I saw a Cub with a VC a while backTake careMike

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Hi Mike,the only aircraft in that list with a VC are Mikko's 185 (freeware) and FSD's Super Cub (payware). Both excellent planes. But I like the Beaver as well, has an excellent 2-D cockpit by Fred Banting and Yannick Lavigne and flies real well :-)You can find the freeware aircaft here at AVSIM.... easier still... download them via Don's ABC or our BFU sites (see my sig).Have fun !! :-outta Francois :-wave[table border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0][tr][td valign=bottom" align="center]"At home in the wild"[/td][td valign=bottom" align="center][link:avsim.com/alaska/alaska_051.htm|Don's Alaskan Bush Charters]"Beavers Lead the Way"[/td][td valign=bottom" align="center][link:www.avsim.com/vfr_center/mainpages/vfr_flights_main_page.htm]VFR Flight Center]"Looking Good Outside"[/td][/tr][tr][td valign=top" align="center]http://avsim.com/hangar/air/bfu/logo70.gif[/td][td valign="top" align="left" colspan=2]http://www.fssupport.com/images/moose2.gif[/td][tr][/table]________________________Francois A. "Navman" DumasAssociate Editor &Forums AdministratorAVSIM Online![/bemail: fdumas@avsim.com________________________

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Thanks Francois. I'll go downlaod now and I'll give mountain flying another go! :DTake careMike

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WOW thanks for the tip on this challenging rwy! I actually did it in the Baron several times (using Steve Small's airfile). By following the creek and looping right and then slipping it in after I was reasonably clear of tres. Fantastic feeling when you land here. The takeoff is almost as difficult. Needless to say I wouldn't want to do that in real life!

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Yikes.. they're all difficult runways to land!!I08 is a good one!Runway 20 was a real challenge... I followed the valley up the mountain, left downwind and then turned into another valley which runs down at about 30' to rw20. A full flaps approach in the Cessna Skylane. There's no way to come in straight into runways like this as far as I can tell. I haven't tried runway 02 yet.I managed it ok though. In the Cessan and in the Commander.Great route!! Thanks for posting it Brian... I'd like to try more of these... where can I find more flight plans like this? It's a good test of skill and great scenery!Simon.

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I've never really landed at a strip like that! I've been flying the Dreamfleet Archer for months (almost exclusively), and while I've really enjoyed flying in high and tight spaces (Colorado Rockies and then, recently, way down inside the Grand Canyon), I've just never landed on a runway quite like I08!I took off at the large regional airport on the south end of the lake about 55 nm west of I08 ... don't remember the name of it!I loaded up FSFlightMax with the Sectional for the area. This enabled me to follow valleys, creeks, and roads to get to the airport. Even with the Sectional displayed with my position marked over it, I nearly missed the strip! I turned to look and BAM there it was. Luckily, I was already very low and very slow with full flaps ... that long east-west valley just south of the strip is great for setting up your profile. Had to turn pretty sharply (bleeding even more airspeed and altitude) and I heard the stall horn go off when I was a bit too far from the end of the runway! I added power quickly enough to avoid crashing, but the upshot was I touched down (again with the stall horn wailing at me) about halfway down the runway. Had to actually CUT the engine as I breaked in order to stop in time. :)What fun!!!I'm a-gonna' try my hand at some bush flying. --Tony

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Thanks so much for sharing !!! I tried to land on both sides and 02 is the easiest way you can get down, the plateau on 20 is harder to clear.Thanks again

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I took off in the Cessna T-50 Bobcat runway 02 turned right and landed runway 02 without a problem. Guess I was lucky.Nice approach .Thanks for the tip.

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Replying to my own post here ???? Oh well :-lolReading some of the landing reports in this thread I started wondering what mesh add-ons (if any) ya'll are using.With the default MS scenery it ispossible to land most aircraft from both sides on that runway.... however.... if you load some good mesh then it becomes a whole lot harder (and more realistic) to land there !!!The only real way in is via the valley and over the trees, not over the mountain at the end.... For your info, I am using FSGenesis' US mesh and trees by Garrish (might have misspelled his name) to make things more exciting ;-) :-outta Francois :-wave[table border=0 cellpadding=10 cellspacing=0][tr][td valign=bottom" align="center]"At home in the wild"[/td][td valign=bottom" align="center][link:avsim.com/alaska/alaska_051.htm|Don's Alaskan Bush Charters]"Beavers Lead the Way"[/td][td valign=bottom" align="center][link:www.avsim.com/vfr_center/mainpages/vfr_flights_main_page.htm]VFR Flight Center]"Looking Good Outside"[/td][/tr][tr][td valign=top" align="center]http://avsim.com/hangar/air/bfu/logo70.gif[/td][td valign="top" align="left" colspan=2]http://www.fssupport.com/images/moose2.gif[/td][tr][/table]________________________Francois A. "Navman" DumasAssociate Editor &Forums AdministratorAVSIM Online![/bemail: fdumas@avsim.com________________________

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I also did it using FSGenesis 75m base terrain add-on, and Gerrish's trees.--Tony

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hehe...I used the default mesh and I still could not get in or out....I got the 185 the you suggested and I'll give it a try tonight.Take careMike

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