Hi all,I don't know whether this is a taboo subject or not but I am thinking of purchasing the PMDG 737 NG product. I love 767 PIC and think that it would be almost impossible to top but if there is anyone out there who uses both, is the 737 good to have as well?I have used the 767 PIC and 744 Precsion Simulator so I want a serious sim not an entertainment package.Any thoughts on the pros and cons would be greatly appreciated.767 PIC is the best but is the 737 Ng sim in the same league in terms of realism??I hope that your landings = your take-offs!!AL

The PMDG is an excellent product. I am sure that you will not be dissapointed with it.However - the PIC still rocks my world.Ian.

However - the PIC still rocks my world.:-beerchug Nebojsa

Hi Al,I used the 767PIC with fs2002 many exciting hours (I used many hours too the PSS A320s and 744 and the Dreamfleet 737). Then I switched to fs2004, much much better in terms of graphics and I bought the 737NG (+ the 800/900 expansion). They are ABSOLUTELY fantastic in terms of realism, graphics and support. I'm enjoying them since May and I can assure you that are very very nice.And I think their upcoming 747-400 will be a winner too.Happy landings !

I have uninstalled my PMDG. It simply did not cut it for me. IMHO, PIC is the only one that even comes close to real system modeling. PMDG is good if all you are looking for is an aircraft to fly in FS9 with an FMC, but if you want "true" realisim, stick with PIC.Then this is my opinion.

Hi AlLike many others I bought the NG737 after moving from FS2k2 to FS9 and have not been disappointed. I don't believe either is better than the other. They are both fantastic and, since you're into realism, I see no reason why you shouldn't get just as much enjoyment from the 737 as you've had from PIC767.Paul Croft10 miles SE of EGLL

Bill, if you want true realism, go out and fly a real one... they're really cheap these days, what's that... say $100k per hour... of course one needs some papers for it though....then ther's also the second option, which is the FFS.... not that expensive, about $1000/hour... well worth the money imho.I never used it to fly 'entire' flights though...always those damned approaches where eventually SOMETHING will get you hitting the deck a little too early... nasty instructor...hehehehe, now seriously... PIC rocks... can't wait for the newer 'gem'... though i must say Bill, saying PMDG doesn't come close to realism is a bit off... after all the PIC IRS is not 100% correctly modelled after all...(see the 767PIC club forums)Cheers

I have to agree with Bill.I bought the PMDG with huge expectations. Even after having tried the latest packages at a friend's house, it didn't do it for me.I have uninstalled my PMDG installation, and it'll stay that way.Nothing against PMDG, it just doesn't feel like an airline simulator at all. Too plastic, too many details missing, flies like a computer... not like an airliner. I've said this before, and I'll say it now: while PIC feels like a simulator of a real aircraft, PMDG feels like a simulator of a simulator. Many great things implemented, but it lacks immersion and realistic/professional feel.Mind you, I have ~ 50 hours in FFSs, from which 30h on a 757 sim. PIC does really good in comparison. Let's see what the new version delivers...cheersTero

What is it that the PIC 767 has that the PMDG 737NG doesnt have ? Besides the IRS system...I always thought the PMDG 737NG provided a very good simulation perhaps even better than the PIC 767. Please give me more details about both packages.-Alex

Alex,Read my post a bit above.PIC feels different. You should try ;).Tero

What kind of details are you talking about...Be specific...I am curious to know and always willing to learn :)-Alex

Will reply to this tomorrow, when I have time. Gotta hit the sack now... gotta go to work in 5 hours.Tero

yeh tero but don't you miss the 3D immersion you get from looking at those FFS stby instruments, gear levers, all butons...i really miss that in FS,and the worst i find the overal immersion you get... in the FFS if you want to pul a switch you have to extend your arm to reach the switch... in FS it's but a twist of the hand(mouse)...in that aspect, i think PMDG has no setbacks on PICqua realism implementation i agree PIC is still another level... but PMDG is close...Cheers

Well guys, opinions are great. We all know PIC has been the bird that started many others on the realism factor and will always be held in a high honor. Now, I do not believe we should compare the two against each other. I really believe that Wade and Team and PMDG are the only ones who have created products in the airline department worth a damn. As to PMDG and realism, if you want to know opinions, just ask Mr Brad Marsh who flys the NG for Pacific Blue (Sub of Virgin Airlines) and see what he thinks. I had a conversation with him a few weeks back in which he told me how the line captains that he has showed the PMDG NG to have been more than impressed and some are using it to fly senarios and places in the sim that they have not been yet, sounds like another PIC rw pilot I knew who used PIC in this way. Brad states that it is better for training pilots on the NG than non motion simulators and even wants to try to implement it into some type of "Aid" for Pacific Blue pilots. Now I don't know about what others here really believe about the aircraft but this aircraft is held in the same honor as PIC has been, one example the famous capt bball. And Mr Brad Marsh is not the only one who states this about the PMDG. So when a few guys state their opinions upon this aircraft's realism in a very negative fashion, it's they who have never even sat in a NG cockpit must know their opinions are 180 degrees to those who have sat there. Just my two cents...Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/Animation1.gifCaution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)AMD 64 3200+ | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | Maxtor 6Y080M0 SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 | Windows Xp Pro | Windows Xp Pro 64 |

>I have uninstalled my PMDG. >>It simply did not cut it for me. IMHO, PIC is the only one>that even comes close to real system modeling. PMDG is good if>all you are looking for is an aircraft to fly in FS9 with an>FMC, but if you want "true" realisim, stick with PIC.>>Then this is my opinion.> You know Bill if you want to talk facts then by all means speak up sir. As with those who made general blanket statements about PIC over the years here, I have always felt the need to get to the heart of the matter here. I would like to know what "realism" you are talking about here? Systems modelling? And what part of that would you be refering to? What I have found are a lot of hard core PICer's who don't know the difference between the two Boeing types of aircraft right down to the Smith and Honeywell FMC units and have many threads dealing with this very thing. There of course is the old PIC bias certain folks harbour and appears will take to their graves, namely that PIC is the only realistic airliner and will be the only one and readers of this forum know this is the case for those certain "few". So while you are entitled to your opinion it would be much help to the readers of this post if you would just come out and back up such a unfounded claim...Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/Animation1.gifCaution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)AMD 64 3200+ | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | Maxtor 6Y080M0 SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 | Windows Xp Pro | Windows Xp Pro 64 |