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Is there any way to get the outside views with out using Wideview?Brian

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Of course there is :-)With multi vga cards or with a second vga in the same PC!If you have a VGA that supports Dual Vga you can connect 2 monitors and by modifying you panel.cfg you can use both 2 monitors for outside viewEddie ArmaosAthens-Greece

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Hello Eddie,"with a second vga in the same PC", do you mean two display cards in same pc? If yes, is it really possible?Alkit

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It's possible, but perfomances are terrible.Just don't expect to run 2 windows with the same config as for 1.By using lower resolutions it is absolutely possible.Also have a look at the Matrox Parhelia gf, though not powerfull as a nvidia 5950 or an ati 9800xt, it is able to run an extended view over three monitors at 2400x600 (which is 800x600 three times).This may be a possible solution.

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Well I've to disagree on this one, the performance loss isn't terrible when using a multimonitor system, I've got a Parhelia card with 3 monitors running at 3072x768 and I can have FPS from 10 to +30, it all depends on your hardware(CPU) and FS settings.Best regards,Pedro

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ok 2 questions1) you run parhelia on higher res than 3x 800*600 ? is that with fs9 or has it become possible with fs2002 as well ?since my sim is an will remain based on fs2002 this would be a serious reason NOT to opt for parhelia ..last i heard was that it wouldn't do higher res with fs2002 cuz of directX2) i hear that having a dual head AGP card slows down your fps sometimes as bad as to 2 fps ! is it same scenario if you have a single head AGP + a good PCI card ?I want multiple outside views if possible but I'm not willing to risk my money on something as expencive as todays video cards only to find my FPS to drop to almost 0 :sI have a P4 2.4 with 768 MB DDR + currently GeForce 2 Ti 500 (which is in fact still a very good card, though not dual headed)

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I have many complex sceneries, and even now with 1 monitor, sometimes it is in real struggle...I wonder with a less powerfull card like the parhelia, with three times the pixel to draw, how would it perfom...

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what is your system???With my XP2600 the Parhelia performs great, for me .Evene it it goas to 15FPS it's more smooth that 15FPS on a Nvidia or ATI card.You'l have to see it.That's my oppinion, maybe someone with a Parhelia can testify this (David www.avsim.com/project757 ??) .Best regards,Pedro

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>ok 2 questions>>1) you run parhelia on higher res than 3x 800*600 ? is that>with fs9 or has it become possible with fs2002 as well ?>FS2002 is limited by directx 2400x600I'm using fs9 can go 3840x1024>2) i hear that having a dual head AGP card slows down your fps>sometimes as bad as to 2 fps ! is it same scenario if you>have a single head AGP + a good PCI card ?>It's not that bad if you've +20 FPS running, at least with my parhelia it's allways smooth even at 15FPS.It also depends on the type of image being rendered on the PCI card.Regards,Pedro

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Ok thenDepends on type of image being rendered on the PCI card ?Well let me tell you.I have at the moment 2 pc's and I will keep it to that if possible.1 is the P4 2.4 and the other is a Celeron 500The idea is to use the Celeron 500 for the gauges in the panel and then use the P4 to get as many outside views as possible.At the moment that is only 1.And although I have fs9 I do not have plans at the moment to switch to fs9. Perhaps I could concider since the F50 panel is now fs9 compatible + I am planing to make way much less use of the software panel and go much more into a self made logic ( either using CCC when FSbus or my own program when using Photon ). Than all left to get is fsuipc v3.? which is payware :(I still use the last freeware version of fsuipc which goos with fs2002.Either way, I know someone that uses a borowed Parhelia card and is waiting for the new version of the card with 8x agp to become available in Belgium. Perhaps I should ask the guy to borow this card for a weekend to give it a try. Not sure though if I would like the 800*600 resolution since I'm getting used now to res as high as 1600*1200 which is truly amazing.

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Hi Gat12. I also have the Parhelia and it is perfect when fs9 is set up properly via the tweak links in the matrox forum. simmer_1 operates fs2002 ok. You can get him on this link as well. Any other questions just register and pose the query and tech support will respond very quickly. http://forum.matrox.com/mga/viewforum.php?...3555bb75a752862Keith Sandford

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Yes you can try to install a second PCI vga or better use one Dual Head Vga. I have the ATI 9600 XT and i have made only some tests. I don't use yet the dual monitor setup, as i have only one 19'' monitor at the moment. Another solution is the Parhelia as they said for 3 monitors.Of course even with one monitor sometimes with heavy scenery (not Gmax) and with TCU weather and default MS clouds the Fs2004 drops the fps to single numbers :-( The solution is to use other clouds and not heavy sceneries. Better for me the default MS scenery than to have on final 2fps on localizer.Eddie ArmaosAthens-Greece

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Philippe,I have a question for you. Why would anyone spend upwards to $350 for a Parhelia card buy two or three monitors to go with it then keep MS2002? You can find MS2004 on Ebay for $35-40. (I know that most of you have even cheaper ways of acquiring it.)I haven

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The performance of Parhelia seems really great!! I begin to think whether I should have a three monitor setting or one projector. ........ ?!?!?!?!Wonder why Nvidia not working on the same product category.Alkit

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I am thinking that to go with the Parhelia sounds like the best for me. I am running a P4 2.4 and a PIII 800 at the moment and just bought a Celeron 2.4 which will arrive in the next week. So now I get to have some fun trying to decide which way I should configure my software :)Brian

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At first the reason was quite simple. The F50 panel from Espen was not FS9 compatible.Now the reasons are:fsuipc for fs9 is not freewarewideview for fs9 is not freewarethe edited special for me customised panel from Espen is probably not FS9 compatibleI am not sure if FS9 will run on my Celeron 500 slave pcShure I concider making the move to FS9 but I am building for 1.5 years now and still not flying. So my first priority is to get my bird in the air. Which means that I'll maybe have to buy a new interface because my order with simcockpit.nl is still not here (after more than 6 months now). This hits hard when you are on a tight budget. So getting payware is at this time not in my mind.

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My choise would be 3 monitors and not projector. Sure projector gives you a big image, but you don't see anything more. Plus from your point of view the monitor is closer than the projection screen so it stays +/- the same. Much nicer to have 3 monitors. Be able to see where you go while taxiing. Be able to see the runway sooner when turning final .. I'd love this so much more than a projector which will cost you more money in the future when the lamp needs replacement ...

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Philippe,You made me to "rethink" the display option again!!Alkit

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So we are spending lots of time, effort and also money to this hobby.. Pete Dowson asks for 23 euros for FSUIPC, that is the most important thing that makes all this possible.. ;)//Tuomas

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>what is your system???Amd XP2600+1gig ram pc333Ati 9600pro (kinda XT 'cause it's overclocked by default)About the scenery i fly over (it's italy):i have completely changed the autogen, installed new textures, new landpack (triples memory usage), new 100+ megs mesh scenery.Add to this the single airports.Sometimes FS goes as high as 700mb!I have all sliders maxed out, and fps blocked at 20.Now try Milan Malpensa + Milan VFR by ISD (www.isdproject.com) and let me know how does your parhelia perform :)My computer does practically surrender in this scenario, especially with complex airplanes like the PMDG.I'm not saying the Parhelia is not good: on the contrary it's the unique card which has both 3 monitor possiblity and decent 3d performance.But i say to those interested to be prepared to lower their graphics settings, because altough powerfull the Parhelia isn't powerfull as the actual cards.

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>moment and just bought a Celeron 2.4 which will arrive in theNot the best buy around i'm afraid :(You'd better went with an old Amd Athlon 2000+ :(I'm sorry but intel's low-end cpus are really low-end :(

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For me it makes no other difference than FS2002 or FS2004.Nothing more, nothing less.So 23 euro (fsuipc) + 25 dollar (wideview) ... what's next ? More ram and better vid-card for my Celeron 500 cuz it doesn't want to go with FS2004 ?No no no, first things first as I said.First I want to change my 1700 euro worth of real-life-size maquette into a sim by adding the interfaces it deserves. THEN I will be very happy to fly a bit for a while. THEN maybe I will chose to upgrade to FS2004 OR chose to expand the outside view. Whichever I find fundings for ;)I know this is expencive but I've spent all my budget by now! And still no interface here. So I'll have to throw in a new 270 euro for Photon and hope that I will get the FSbus order sometime in the future and find someone to sell it to and thus getting a bit of my money back. You see, at this moment I feel like I'm crossing the limit here. Hopefully just for a while.

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Ok, let me pull you over the edge then ..If you have 3 or more monitor setup, while banking for a turn, you'll see more movement. In front of you the ground will rotate. Left the ground will come more into view and on your right you'll come to see nothing but sky ! This for sure will give you more the feel like your machine is really moving.:))As I said, rather (180/5 = 36

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yea well i got it brand new for 200 bucks so still not a bad buy and it only needs to run one programBrian

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Philippe - Has anyone told you that you should probably stay with MSFS 2002 and not move to FS9? After all, you have invested in FSUIPC, WIDEVIEW and other software that will cost more than the basic price of FS9 to upgrade. :-) Thanks for the heads up. I had not considered all the ancillary products that you have had to purchase. I think it is wise that you remain in your budget. As I told someone else a few days ago,

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