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OK gang, here I find it necessary to mount my soapbox one last time, at least for now. I'm doing it to announce that I have decided to take a vacation from aircraft designing. Now I know that many of you are already yelling "Why!", so I'll explain where I'm coming from. This may get long winded, so bear with me. I want to make sure everyone knows the score.To put it in a nutshell, it's just not fun anymore. This has been building for a while and Anniette's problems last week just kind of hammered it home. I was working on a design over the weekend and I found that I was working myself into a sweat worrying about satisfying a group of people who never seem to be satisfied. Instead of just designing a plane for fun I was constantly doing and redoing every little part worried if this was the wrong size, if that was the wrong color. Is this too far to the left? Is that two inches too long? I kept saying to myself "I better get this right, or someone won't like it". I finally just stopped, switched off the PC and went to a movie. And when I got back, I browsed various forums and my e-mail only to get a dozen more gripes and complaints. Oh I do get genuine thank you's from some folks. For those I am grateful and I say THANK YOU! You know who you are. But even many of the "thank you" notes are the "thank you but" type. "Thanks for the plane, but this is wrong...." And I'm not talking about things like I had the tail wheel on the Goose reversed. I had no problem with people that pointed out obvious goofs. I was glad to find out about those things and fix them. I'm talking about the nitpickers. I actually had one guy tell me that he measured the windows on my plane and the front windshield was slanted 14 degress when it should have been 12 degrees. Or the spoilers open a little too far, etc, etc, on and on. And it's more than just a couple of people, it really is. There are a lot of people out there who want everything for nothing, and they want it now and they want it their way.And then when I post an appeal in the forums for people to cut me some slack I get back "Grow up", "Learn to deal with it", "I'm tired of hearing it". Well, if you're tired of hearing it, imagine how I feel. Let me know your e-mail addresses and I'll forward my e-mail to you. You'll get the idea real quick.So, I've decided to hang up my six-guns for a bit, and take a breather. I'm gonna do some actual flying for a change, go to the fair and the air show with the family this weekend, and a lot of other things I haven't had time for lately. Once I've shaken out the cobwebs and learned how to do something besides stare at 3d images on my PC, I'll take to the GMAX screen again. Don't know when. It'll come when it comes. But I can make everyone a guarantee you can bet money on. When I do, I'll be making my planes, my way, for me. And if I offer them to others, as I'm sure I will, it will be on a take it or leave it basis. Thanks again to those that have supported me thru all this. Like I said, you know who you are. I'll be back, but things WILL be different.Mike StoneP.S. My personal appologies to Anniette. I feel kind of bad given that I was one of those who talked her into staying last week. But like I said, this has been building for a while.P.S. I wonder how long it will take for someone to e-mail me and say "Are you going to finish the 757?" Maybe, if I can get the wheels the right size....

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A break is sometimes exactly what is needed Mike. I hope you take full advantage of it and relax to your hearts content... If you ever decide to come back once refreshed, you know there will be a happy crowd ready to cheer you on at your return. If not, thats perfectly fine as well - you owe nothing to anybody here. The work you've released to date stands wonderfully on their own two wheels... :-)While I don't speak much about works I've tried since I don't get a lot of time to do so (and really experience them), I've really have enjoyed your works Mike. I thank you for them.Take care,Elrondhttp://members.rogers.com/eelvish/Boycott-RIAA.gif]"A musician without the RIAA, is like a fish without a bicycle."[/font://http://members.rogers.com/eelvish/B...cle."[/b][/font

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Mike, I certainly agree with what Elrond has said. This isn't your job, so you don't have to feel tied to it. There will certainly be many that don't want you to go. I certainly hate to see all this burnout or frustration among all the freeware artists that are generously giving to our enjoyment, but being in the position that the staff at AVSIM is in, I can definitely understand where the developers are coming from. Often a break is all you need to realize you would miss something. And just because you take a break from aircraft design doesn't mean you have to be a stranger in the forums...hint..hint :-)

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Mike,I also agree with Elrond and Scott. By all means, do what you wish when you wish. Take a long and well-deserved holiday. If you decide to return to making such beautiful aircraft, that's great. If not, that's great too. You have added much more than most, and you have done it with grace, kindness, and style.If you do wish to make more aircraft in the future, do it to please yourself and no one else. You owe nothing to anyone.WE, however, owe you much.And to those whom complain and demand - again, thanks a lot.Mike, seriously, do what you wish for you and your family, which always comes first. ;-)Relax. Breathe. Enjoy some of the aircraft you've made! ;-)Again, I thank you for the enjoyment you have given me. I can ask nothing more - except perhaos that you do take time for yourself.

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Hi Mike,I agree with you totally - just finished browsing the long winded post about the B727 wheels - minor issue blown out to something major and just not a subject for the forumI have enjoyed greatly tinkering with your textures and I think, on average, my tinkers of your various aircraft have been the most popular and frequent downloads that I get each day.I too am getting a little frustrated with the unrealistic expectations of a minority of the simming community who think that our hobby pleasure is focused on meeting their needs and expectations. I openly invite people to request textures from me and I have enjoyed creating many textures to match the needs of the simmers out there but it is now getting a little out of hand with some expecting instant responses and demanding tiny changes which require large efforts and large reloads to the net. However, I must say that I have made a lot of good friends through the FS community, you I would class as one of those, and they appear to appreciate the effort required and make meaningful requests and suggestions. But the minority 'Demanders' are becoming more and more prevelant.......Wishing you the best during your 'Vacation' and happy simmingRegardsGarry J. Smith at http://www.gjsmith.comAircraft Texture Tinkererhttp://www.gjsmith.com/images/GJS-banner.gif

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How about if all the nit-pickers build some planes while Mike takes his vacation? I would like to see if the "I want it 100% correct for free folks" could build a plane half as good as what Mike does. Mike could then take his turn at nit-picking. Just a thought.

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Mike,No you have to finsh the 757, my life depends upon it!! You mean something like that?Hey, I am with you Mike, for a few months I have been messing around with GMAX to do a scenery for Freeport airport and Nassau International.BUT, I have held off announcing, releasing pictures, even asking for help on it, because the criticism, and beating down, is just getting to be out of hand. I am sure I could take it, after all I grew up with three HUGE (all younger though) brothers (if anyone knows about growing up with multiple siblings, I need not say more!!)I am going to hold off on the release till the end of the year, since I cannot spend the time I used to, family matters, being newly married (woohoo the best!), its too much, and then to get shot down because someone who has never been to the Bahamas, say "my god man next time do the scenery right, that garbage can is 2 millimeters to far right!!" I ain't gonna put up with it.Hey take a vacation, come down to Nassau, I'll hook you up with a sightseeing flight!!! Maybe even spend a day in Harbour Island, I know some good people down there!! Miles and miles of pink sand beaches.http://www.islandoutpost.com/PinkSands/aboutphoto1.jpghttp://www.bahamasferries.com/logos_images/harbour.gifhttp://www.islandoutpost.com/PinkSands/aboutindex.htmlWANNA GO FISHIN?Hows this one?http://www.bonefish.currantbun.com/s02-0412cb6.jpghttp://www.bonefishadventure.com/Seeya, and take it easy!!! We can wait!!! :-boomLater,http://www.forefrontgrp.com/jayssig.jpg"There is an art . . . to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss!"

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MikeWe have crossed swords in the past mailnly through misunderstandings.You have made a huge contribution with superb aircraft.I can well understand how you become a slave to your work rather than doing it for the reasons that you originally did it.oh well maybe its time you considered some return on your efforts like many before you."The more you give, the more that is demanded from you and the less its appreciated" is a saying which im afraid is often true.A break might let you see things in a fresh light and at least make you realise how best you can use your talents for your satisfaction again.All the bestPeternb I too was disgusted with the treatment that some directed at Anniette

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Sorry to here it Mike, when I saw Vacation in another post I thought it was just that..you know..Hawaii or something! LOL! I for one have been amazed at the amount of GMAX releases you have done in a short period of time. Great job. Mean it! Now go have fun with the family! Enjoy the Airshow, (which one? Love them...my #3 of 4 sons is an everyday reminder of the last (4/'97) MCAS El Toro Airshow! Our Blue Angel gift! :D ) and things away from the PC.See you when you get back, one way or another! Cheers!

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Hi Mike,I fully understand and you have my support 100%.I was getting so stressed out today trying to answer all the emails explaining how to fix this or that and get other things done, I finally said to heck with it and went flying. I logged a flight with DC3-Airways (one month to the day since I had last flown). Made me feel so good just to relax, shut down my email, the forums, everything and just fly, that I went ahead and flew another one, this being my first flight for BFU.I feel so much better. I have been busting my butt on this Duck, wanting everything to be perfect that it had become work instead of fun.I'll get back to work on it tomorrow but with an entirely new perspective. You can also bet on it that another whole month isn't going to go by again before my next flight.I haven't forgotten what you did for me with building that Goose, and I don't even CARE what angle the windshield is at. I love it and thanks for everything. That is was free and from the kindness and the joy of doing what you do makes it all that much more special.Whatever you do for your "vacation", have fun!!Cheers!Heather

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You Go Mike!Thanks for all the great airplanes that make me smile everytime I go to my sim world to relax.Maximum THANKS for the great 727!And your post reminded me of a time when I was doing repaints and detail add-ons of model locomotive shells for hobbyists here. I'd bust my butt with hours of airbrushing, decals, and detail pieces to enhance other folks' models. For Free. Most folks were happy. But there were some folks who are, shall we call them "prototype freaks." These people need to have every chain, rivet, weathering detail, etc in the precise location, as they expect. "Well you know the exhaust stains wouldn't trail that far back on the hood. The locomotive number is too big. The real engine doors have 12 rivets, not 16."Mike, I couldn't believe it! They must be anal.It was like I wanted to toss my beautiful work and crush it on the floor. I gave it to them as is. No redress.Then I'd say; "Here, then you do it!"Blow out your pipes, Mike. Have a blast!! And get your smile back!!!Your friendRick

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Mike,Thank you for all your hard work! You have greatly increased my enjoyment in FS. Take all the time you need. I have plenty of your airplanes in my hangar that will satisfy me for a long time. Ever since you made the Meridian I've been thinking "When is this guy going to take a break?" You have a well deserved break-so make it as long as you want. Have fun, relax, and enjoy yourself!http://turnhead.com/dot/alex/banner-retro-cool.gif

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Hey Mike. Go for it! Take some time to do the family thing. My gosh with the planes you have come out with will keep me busy for a good long time. Thanks for making those available to all of us. It really is "the gift that keeps on giving" Thanks Mike and a tip of the ol' hat. :-outta

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Hi Mike,I can understand your feelings. I'm in the process of selling my business because... it's just not fun anymore. Time for a change. You have given the community the great gift of your talent and dedication. For this we owe you a huge debt of gratitude. This is a hobby, and a hobby should be fun. Some of your recent posts revealed that it just hasn't been fun for you lately. I have found that we enjoy our creations more when we enjoy the process of creating. Finally, and most important of all, you are a fellow simmer (though some of the selfish amongst the community seem to think otherwise), and we all hope to see you here in the forums. As wonderful as your creations are, I enjoy interacting with you about our hobby just as much.Have fun... per your definition.

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Wow...can I go delete my comment and start over? ;-)

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Hi buddy, fully understand where you are coming from and I am NOT going to say "please stay on it, please continue" ...!!In stead, I will URGE you to PLEASE get out of it !!! :-) At least for a while... Very wise decision. When this hobby of ours reaches a point that you get stomache aches because you feel obliged to finish something in time, or do something a certain way..... then i't is NOT the hobby anymore. It has become WORK. Even WORSE.. because it does not bring any money to the table. :-(SO GET OUT !! Wind down, reflect on what it was that got you started in the first place, and see if you can go back to that situation."If not, then, well, perhaps it is time for a different 'hobby'.I am pretty sure the way things are looking, that one day I will take my own advice and disappear from the 'scene' for some time... you are right Mike, there are many people out there that don't seem to be able to distinguish between something you do because YOU like doing it - and they might benfit on the sides from it - and something you are OBLIGED to do for THEM. Sad, but oh so true.And I won't even touch on the subject of apparent diminishing education and knowing how to behave :-(Warm regards,Francois :-outta Francois :-wave________________________Francois A. "Navman" DumasAssociate Editor &Forums AdministratorAVSIM Online!email: fdumas@avsim.com________________________

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Hi Mike:You don't know how much respect I have for you. Words cannot express my feelings for all your talent in making those great planes for us to fly. I hope that you have a great vacation from designing planes. Take it easy. You deserve it. I think on a broader picture, many individuals need to really examine what it takes to design planes, panels and scenery for all of us to enjoy. I posted a earlier message on this subject some time ago. Its not too hard to just say thanks for making planes, panels and scenery for all of us to enjoy. Why cannot people drop a line and say thanks that's it. No, some people will have to say this is wrong, cabin is wrong and the list can go on and on. I think people expect perfection in a inperfect world, especially from freeware developers. Payware, is a another story. Which I will not get into. People have to quit demanding perfection. There is nothing wrong with pointing out what may be wrong with something, to a point. Each freeware developer has their own point of how much is too much and I would not guess where that should be. Lets give them a break. Maybe AVSIM should block emails for freeware developers and allow them their privicy away from those individual who expect perfection. There has got to be something done about it. I don't know the answers. I think that AVSIM might open a discussion on this and work some solutions out. I fear the problem is only going to get worse before it gets better. Look at what Heather, Anneitte, Mike Stone, and probably others have gone through. Its time to take a stand. The problem cannot be simply sweeped up and put under the carpet and hope it goes away. Lets open some dialogue on this. (As I get off my soap box)Anyway, thanks to Mike Stone and others for making flightsimmulation fun for me and many others. Charles

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Mike,Everything I would want to say here as already been said, but I would add that I for one have throughly enjoyed your aircraft and I am going to miss your almost weekly uploads. There comes a time when it is probably a good idea to get away for a bit of a rest, especially considering what you said "...its just not fun anymore!".I will sorely miss your work, but hopefully some day you'll find that fun factor again, as there are a lot of people here at AVSIM and in the forums that really have enjoyed your work and the fact that you've been kind enough to share your work with all of us (as freeware) has been greatly appreciated by the vast majority. Thanks Mike for all you've done for the community! Hopefully you won't stay a stranger to our forums here.http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3d6b2d9e068c7d40.jpg

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Mike, Most of it has been said by many of your friends. But my thanks for hours of pure enjoyment.jim

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First of all, thanks once again to those that have and continue to support me, thru thick or thin. It is GREATLY appreciated.Secondly, let me clarify a couple of things, so there are no misconceptions. I'm not doing this because of anything any one person said, or any particular incident. It's the accumulation of masses of it over a period of time. And yes I know the difference between those that make suggestions and comments and those that just complain. I suspect most people would have to actually see my e-mail inbox to really understand. And it's not really even the complaints or the complainers that I'm trying to get away from. They are invevitable. It was the affect it was having on me and my designing efforts. I found myself working hours, sweating bullets, worried about how each little detail was going to be received. Worried that someone would complain about this little detail or that little nit. Every time I released a plane I got the feeling like I get when I'm going into my bosses office for a performance review. That's not what I got into flight simming for. So I'm just going to take a break and find the fun again. Mike Stone

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Behind you 100% of the way my friend. I appreciate everything you have done for the community as a whole and personally thank you for giving us repainters full go at your creations. I have enjoyed every single one and even included your Goose in my new Kodiak package. You , as well as MANY other in the a/c design end, have brought me countless hours of fun. It's a feed-me/feed-you deal. You folks keep making airplanes, I'll keep making postagestamps to land them on! Take your break. Relax. IF you come back, I will, as well as many others, shall applaude you as you walk thru that door. If not, we will always applaude you for what you have done. But when you get back from vacation..say tomorrow...(that should be long enough!) you build them MIKES way. That has ALWAY surpassed my expectations. Enjoy yourself my friend. Can we all come to the airshow with you? I'll buy you a tee-shirt! :)Don

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Mike-You deserve a break, go for it. :) Your contributions to the FS community have been enormous.

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Hi Mike,If anyone deserves a good break it is you - I am always astonished at the speed you can produce great quality (an in all honesty slightly envious as well). It is always worth taking time to crash out, do other things and get some perspective - it can also be nice to actually do some "flying" as well.Hope that we will still see you here, and when you are ready again doing things "your way" - ignore the nit-pickers & muppets...All the best,

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