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Ariane GMAX 737-400 - Another View

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Hi all,First let me say that I know nothing about the supposed horrible past of Ariane or any of it's members. I am also not affiliated with any other FS Aircraft development company or individual. I'm simply a hard core flight simmer who has been engrossed in this hobby for over 10 years. I currently own just about every piece of payware aircraft and major scenery, and have downloaded every promising piece of freeware that has come along.I bought the Ariane GMAX 737-400 this afternoon and love it! It is one of the most beautiful, detailed and smooth flying aircraft that I have ever seen for FS2002 from any source. Most specifically, I bought it to use instead of the default aircraft for the Dreamfleet 2000 737-400. I quickly combined the two and they work seamlessly together (other than a small adjustment to the autopilot in the aircraft config file.)I don't want to get into any arguments with anyone, I just wanted to share my happy experience with others and encourage everyone to make a decision on the merits of this new product, which in my opinion is excellent.Thank You,Vonat 1

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do the thrust reversers work? Can you post a pic of that? And could you post a good pic of teh "over the wing" view? Thanx!-drew

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Yes, the thrust-reversers work great. In fact, one of the best things about this craft is that EVERYTHING works perfectly in replay mode...which is not the case with many other fine aircraft. So if you roll back a landing about 10 minutes, you can watch as all the flaps and spoilers come down, and finally get a great touchdown picture (with fantastic strut action...I bounced hard on my first landing and the wheels were rolling as I was bumped back into the air!!!!) and finally see the thrust-reversers deploy. You can also watch the landing form the much discussed virtual "wing view". All this is is a virtual "cockpit" that puts you between the 2 wings. It may not be revolutionary, but it's great fun as the wings and engines are beautifully detailed. Take it or leave it, the plane is a lot of fun even without this.Thanks,Vonat1

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CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE ME THE LOW DOWN ON EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO BE MODIFIED TO GET THE DF 737 PANEL MERGED WITH THE ARIANE. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THE ARIANE CAME WITH ITS OWN SOPHISTICATED PANEL????

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How can you be engrossed in this hobby for ten years and know nothing ? Claiming to know nothing about it is no excuse.Certainly those that care about this hobby would leave this offering alone. Save your money and buy one of the many other great addons available.Steve

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The plane does not come with it's own panel (one will be released at extra cost in a few days). It uses the default panel initially, for which you do not need to make any modifications. I am using it with the Dreamfleet 200 panel, and simply pasted the Autopilot configuration from the default plane config file into the Airan aircraft.cfg (after backing it up of course.) Mostly this disables the auto-level function and changes the initial pitch up, etc.By the way, I'm posting some new pix in the screenshot forum in the next few minutes for those interested.Thanks,Vonat1

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I LOVE FREE ENTERPRISE. I MEAN SHOULD WE STOP BUYING SHARES OF IBM AND EXXON SINCE ENRON AND WORLD COM DECEIVED THE PUBLIC ??? I HOPE YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THERE IS NO IMMUNITY FROM DECEPTIVE PRACTICES AND CORRUPTION IN OUR OPEN MARKET SOCIETY.WHERE THERE IS COMMERCE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE ISSUES WITH PEOPLE GETTING BURNED. I DONT BLAME ANYONE FOR BUYING FROM A COMPANY IF HE OR SHE BELIEVES THE PRODUCT IS A GOOD VALUE. WE ALL GET BURNED AND WE ALWAYS COME BACK FOR MORE !!!

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>How can you be engrossed in this hobby for ten years and >know nothing ? Claiming to know nothing about it is no >excuse. >>Certainly those that care about this hobby would leave this >offering alone. Save your money and buy one of the many >other great addons available. I know they have a spotty past, and I know its not really right to support them, but I think it'd be nice to have one single thread that mentions Ariane without everybody who has devoted their life to crusading against them chiming in their two cents. I'm just getting really sick of seeing every well intentioned thread turning into an anti-ariane/payware brawl, I guess it just gets a little annoying.And, as far as the aircraft goes, I will probably buy it as soon as I see the United Airlines 733 come out, because I bought it for FS2000 and I was wholeheartedly pleased with the quality then, and I'm sure its an incredible plane now.Scott

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Hi,I also have the dreamfleet 2000 panel, would you please give the procedure to follow in order to merge with the Ariane Gmax aircraft CFG ?ThanksLaurent

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Steve,It took me a while to think of a fair response....While I feel the whole p.t. issue is so tarnished that I won't touch anything related to it, past or present, I also have to call myself a hypocrite.Why? I've bought FS2002, and numerous other MS products. Read the press on Microsoft. What's worse--someone who is told to pull an AA livery, or someone who suffers or loses their livelihood as a result of the issues alleged to be associated with Microsoft.Never mind the fact that the average consumer sees a web page that mentions noting of p.t.--they only have faith and word of mouth to rely on. In the end, all depends on the product. If Ariane has something that makes people happy, let them enjoy the product, lest we start receiving the same flak for enjoying FS2002 or running Win9x/NT/2000/XP on our systems...-John

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Lay off Ariane already!It is getting extremely annoying. Now if they made a crappy product and if everyone was complaining i would understand the constant bit**ing about them, but no they make a superb product and generaly people that buy it seem happy and content.It is only a few who just doesnt let go. It almost makes me think someone paid them to talk trash at every opportunity.Just shut up if you dont have nothing nice to say cuz we heard the bad stuff over and over and over again.

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I wholeheartedly agree. I bought the earlier version Ariane 737 before any links to Papa Tango were revealed and I have enjoyed that aircraft immensely ever since, in fact it may be my most flown flightsim aircraft. As far as I'm concerned PT has been appropriately pursued through legal means by those who had legitimate claims against them and PT have suffered accordingly. I don't think there is any legitimacy in continuing any personal crusades in a forum like this one. There is no corporate law I'm aware of that calls for shunning a company for life. I for one will be getting this aircraft and if they allow me I will redo all my repaints for the new model. Misha

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Hi:I purchased the aircraft. Has anyone anyone able to lower the air stairs? I have not. I can get the doors open, but the stairs don't work for me. Has anyone else had the same problem? Or how did you get it to work. Shift E 1, 2 don't work.Any ideas would be appreciated.Charles

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Sweet! Thanks for the response! Regardless of the whol PT crapola, I'm still gonna buy the UA "special bundle" when it comes out! Thanks for the pics!-drew

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BIK:Who are you referring to? My reply to Steve? Think I pretty much said what you're saying, albeit with a bit more tact...

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Yes, I agree!Let's all completely forget all the things that very nice 'PT' man has done to the flightsim community for the last few years. Let's all forget how innocent people have lost

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Toni--Read my reply regarding Microsoft. What's your take on that--should we consider dumping FS2002? I simply suggest we who've made the decision to avoid Ariane and/or p.t. products should tread lightly on those who want to purchase it. I'm not saying this as an attack against Microsoft--you could replace the word Microsoft with almost any major company... Sooner or later, you'll uncover someone in a business you or I purchase from who made a decision that either cost people their jobs, money, and sometimes their lives. Dig deep into the issue of DRM--talk about someone patenting the concept of something, an entire industry is trying to restrict how we record information, even if it is our own intellectual property.IMHO, this issue has been fought over for a long time, and should be put to rest. No one in this forum should have to receive flak or insults for anything they buy--period....-John

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John,How right you are! It's high time that this forum put the PT matter to rest. Right or wrong, I and many others are tired of hearing it. Let Ariane stand or fall on their own merits. The courts are full of companies which go bankrupt every day, and it is, (unfortunately) a part of doing business these days.Like Momma said, if you can't say something nice about someone, then just keep your yap shut. Personally, I've looked at the 737 and think it's a nice aircraft . . .and when they come out with the livery I want, I will buy it . . .I bought their other 'three-seven' and was pleased . . .when I wrote them and told them that such a nice aircraft should have working thrust reversers . . .Bobbo informed me that he would have that out in a few weeks. He did, he emailed the file to me and I am happy.And as an added note, I have seen in other forums that Toni has been accused of being a director or something to that equiv, in one of the PT companies at one time . . .,I guess we could rag him about that, however, it comes under the heading of 'who cares', I have other things to worry about. Spilt milk is spilt milk no matter how you look at it. Just my humble .02 cents worth.PT or no PT you can put me down as one satisfied customer who likes their products.Best to all, and no ill will to anyone,Clayton T. DopkeMajor, USAF (retired)"Drac"B52Drivr@aol.com

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JohnI have read your post regarding Microsoft and to a degree can sympathise with your feelings. In my opinion however, there is a whole world of difference between the 'antics' of those involved.I do not believe this is the place to rehash what PT did to this community - it's in the past and in any event, most people know the story and feel the same about Tishma as I do.What concerns me greatly though, is that he's still 'playing the same games' with the buying public. Already, within hours of the release of the 'new' 737 (which isn't all that new at all - mostly it's simply an update of the original 737 files), there are numerous complaints from people regarding the product features which don't work, textures not showing, the need to manipulate files manually, lack of appropriate documentation..... the list is growing steadily.These are not complaints for complaints sake - these are real people who have spent real money and feel disappointed enough to share their bad experiences (yet again) with the community. Sure there are some who are extoilling the virtues of PT and the 'new' plane, and are of course entitled to their opinions and should voice them.'My take' on this matter is one of inherent mistrust of Tishma as publisher. I have never 'had a go' at anyone buying his products. Each one of us must make his (or her) own decision in support of Tishma or otherwise. But if you are going to give this guy your money, at least let that decision be an informed one and know exactly who it is you're dealing with. (If a formerly loveable dog suddenly bites you, you're a fool if you're not very cautious in approaching that dog next time around...)Toni.

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I'm pretty much in your shoes Toni--I never found any of the p.t. products worth purchasing. A product would have to be on par with DreamFleet's or Flight1's for me to consider a purchase. Based on what I see, I can't imagine spending whatever the U.S. equivalent of 10 pounds is on a product which doesn't even have its own panel.And I've no problem with people knowing the issues involved. Am I correct in assuming that repaints aren't allowed--that people have to purchase the liveries? I hope that I'm wrong, but I somewhat recall hearing that somewhere. Although Aeroflot is a worthy livery, such a product isn't much good if the freeware community can't have a go at repaints."....there are numerous complaints from people regarding the product features which don't work, textures not showing, the need to manipulate files manually, lack of appropriate documentation..... the list is growing steadily....."Once again, this seemed an issue with FS2k2 when it first came out. How long did it take before the SDK's started popping up documenting the aircraft.cfg and other FS files? Sorry--just had to throw that in there.... Your point is well noted and people should look before they leap.....but if they leap and are happy, that's the most important thing of all.

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What a sad world you live in then. By the way don't shout - it's rude. "ILOVE FREE ENTERPRISE. I MEAN SHOULD WE STOP BUYING SHARES OF IBM AND EXXON SINCE ENRON AND WORLD COM DECEIVED THE PUBLIC ??? I HOPE YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THERE IS NO IMMUNITY FROM DECEPTIVE PRACTICES AND CORRUPTION IN OUR OPEN MARKET SOCIETY.WHERE THERE IS COMMERCE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE ISSUES WITH PEOPLE GETTING BURNED. I DONT BLAME ANYONE FOR BUYING FROM A COMPANY IF HE OR SHE BELIEVES THE PRODUCT IS A GOOD VALUE. WE ALL GET BURNED AND WE ALWAYS COME BACK FOR MORE !!! "

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So far, all I've done is assign the DF panel and Sound to the Ariane aircraft. I also replaced the autopilot section of the aircraft.cfg file with the one from the DF plane. Previously, it was not responding to heading commands.So far I think they are about 95% compatible. The FMC correctly readsthe weight of the new aircraft and makes the correct calcualtions accordingly. I've done a couple of autolands and they went fine.There are still some small issues that someone with more ability in this area than I will need to solve. The plane seems to bound off the runway much too fast and needs to be held back strongly in order to keep from stalling. Secondly, the flap indicator does not work, however the physical lever does show correct flap settings.I hope the technically minded will look into this in the near future. It would be great if someone released a merge program as was done for PIC/POSKY which I have used and works flawlesly.Vonat1

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Actually, John, repaints are allowed and are also supported by Ariane. They have a special section devoted to freeware repaints. As far as the liverys on sale, I'm very sure they plan on releasing more than just Aeroflot.Scott

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The way I understand this, Ariane hooked up with P/T to market their product, much like the PIC Team did with Wilco, etc. Now, it seems that they are NOT connected to P/T at all. From what I hear, none of P/T's "enterprises" are operating any more. So, if the product is good, and the support is good, why don't we just give them the benefit of the doubt? It would seem that the level of customer support that they do or don't provide, should be an indication of whether or not P/T is or is not involved. As we all know, P/T had NO customer support of any kind.It would be a shame to turn our backs on what could be a great product, just because the group made an error in judgment in the past.

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