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where are the nice new GMAX planes that for months and months are noticed as " coming soon"??. Overall there are far more previeuws, announcements than ever released products, Why???Bset regards,

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why?because development now takes a lot longer. People loose interest, realworld obligations catch up with them, etc.Because ever more is expected of releases, ever more people also realise at some stage during development that they lack the data and/or skills to produce something that won't be flamed to the far side of hell and simply give up.Combine the two, and you get a scenario in which ever more projects are left unfinished.Lastly there is the possibility of people getting hired by commercial teams while in the process of creating a piece of freeware (mostly the more experienced authors of course) with the result that that freeware gets shelved or shifted into the commercial release schedule at a position somewhere down the line.As not everyone is as dilligent updating their websites a lot of the abandoned projects remain until their owners need the webspace for something else or the hosting contract runs out.

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I often wondered the same thing. Coming soon means soon.. Maybe within a couple weeks to a month, not 6 months or longer.I've been watching a new project that started 14 months ago. http://www.flightsimnetwork.com/aircraft3-view/jamal_a4.htmlSeems to have stalled for a very long time now.Hopefully, there will be a coming soon announcement on this one some day.As popular as the A-4 iswas (I worked on them 6 years) no one has produced a real good detailed version.

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Don't know what you're talking about. So many nice new GMAX planes came out in the last few weeks that I hardly have the time to really fly them all. Are you talking about some specific ones?Misha

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Dear Paul, I for one am really looking forward (but patiently waiting)to your bus panel :-) and I also agree with Misha I`m still waiting on a L-1011! ..but take your time developers and perfect them because ther are so many new excellent a/c that one does not have enough time to fly/enjoy/get familiar with them!...IMHOregardsEd :-cool

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Very nice P38 prototype. I will be taking her for a spin when she is ready. It was just on the History channel that the real one ran out of fuel and crashed after breaking a cross country speed record. Back to the question of where are the planes. We are flight sim designers, not time study people. Soon can mean anything from a week to whatever is needed to complete the project. If you cannot wait for a plane to be completed, you may build it yourself. :-lol

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As one who was involved with a Gmax plane (Debonair) I can tell you that not only is Gmax difficult to work with-it also likes to eat your work every once in a while and put you back to square one.For our first release 6 months ago we were prepared to release it complete with a vc-which we had announced-only to have it about 5 days before release completely crash and take the entire vc with it-nothing left-nada.After that James Eden reworked the Vc at least 3 times-to have the same thing happen again and again. Finally we got the vc upgrade out before it went through its' little cycle again.So have a little sympathy for the hard working persons who have the patience to start over and over and eventually overcome the obstacles and get it out-especially when it is put out for free. :-)http://members.telocity.com/~geof43/Geofdog2.gif

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hi guys,you guys are absolutely right..take all the time you need...i

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Hi Dan.... I guess you never did get my address, huh? I've sent it to you twice, but it doesn't seem to be going through. Anyway, wanted to let you know that I finally did GET Thunder Bay. Thanks to you and the team for all the hard work done on it. -Lindy :-wave

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I guess the only thing that bothers me about some developers, mainly payware companys is that they tend to state a release date and then dont meet that deadline day. In other words they only set a presumtive date as a means of getting their product out in front of us all and get us slaivating for it.I like the way Flight1 handled the release of the DC9 they did not set any sort of date until the product was ready although we new it was comming just not when. Flight1 also released it as a final version not a Beta version.I have been waiting for a particular Turboprop that was slated for release in the early fall of 2002, this project is now two months past due and the developers have stopped giving updates.Frankly I would rather not know about a product so far in advance at least not until it is in its final BETA.And yes I do understand that problems do arise.

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I'm not a big warplane fan, but that P-38 looks like a keeper. Kudo's for the "virtual wing" views....-John

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My head is spinning with new stuff:Socata (free)Olexiy Frolov's 1.3 Dash 8 (free ... and awesome)the F1 DC-9Capt Sim 727Eurowings Prof ( a real sleeper I think .. awesome ATR-42/72 and BAE 146 ... good stuff well done ..)Radar Contact 3.0FS Avionic's Garmin 430 and 530Active SkyLago's Twotter R1, and R1.1Sky WorldTons of awesome excellent scenery .. some free some paylots if other stuff I can't remember (apologies to the authors)Coming real soon:Ralph Tofflemire's "Ready for Pushback" 747-200Sometime:PSS Dash 8Wilco's PIC A320A340 ExperienceAdd that to the best of what we already have Espen's Fokker 50Yannik's Falcon 50Bill G's ERJ 145PSS A320DF 737PIC767PSS 747PSS 777and others I can't remember (sorry and apoligies to the authors)Honestly there is such a large "flow" of stuff that I can hardly keep up ... not sure what you all want?I guess a line from an old Door's song "We want the WORLD and we want it NOW" sums it up. And perhaps add "You can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time" (Will Rogers ... I forget) and my friend Buddy B "Everyone's a critic!"Regarding publish dates ... when you have tried to develop very complex software and succeed in doing it on time ... then God love you because you will be the first on this planet.I have a hard time deciding what to fly !!!O well

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Hi,Well, just consider the enormous amount of time and effort needed to develop a complete package. Just to give an idea: I started my ATR 42-300 by programming gauges for someone else's project. That other person disappeared when I had already spent 8+ months programming gauges. Then I decided to make a plane to host those gauges. It took me some two years to make a complete plane including model, textures, gauges and flight dynamics. By that time, I was working far away from home (2 hours driving + 1 hour flight), so I had lots of free time to dedicate to the project: roughly I was spending 4 hours a day during 2 years, (excluding weekends which I used to travel back home and see my wife). Even considering that much time available, I released an aircraft with a lot of bugs and defficiencies, and only after two more versions I stopped receiving mails like "Hey your plane is wrong, send me immediately a fix" or "You shouldn't have released such a rubbish"... That period ended, and I came back home. Now I can hardly spend 4 hours per week on my hobby, so if I had now to make a project like the ATR, starting from scratch, it should theoretically take me 5 times longer, that is... 10 years! Considering that, on top of that, I have to travel quite often due to my job, a 6 months delay is not that long. Fortunately, I learnt a few things with the ATR, which was my first project, and I hope to be a little faster from now on. So, I'm working on an ATR 72-500 to complete the ATR series, and aiming to a Lockheed Constellation, while working together with another designer in a Cessna 421. When will they be ready? Well, as soon as I finish them. Pacowww.arrakis.es/~pacosansailplane.jpgStultorum numerus infinitus est.

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I think that this thread illustrates an important point that will affect us all in the not-too-distant future. With each new release of FS the bar is raised and it becomes increasingly difficult to build a plane that matches up to expectations. With FS2002, we've had GMax, shinyness (!), VC's, etc. To produce a plane that takes advantage of all the new possibilities is a major project, and one that is hard for an individual to achieve. Unless that individual is unemployed/retired. So, you have to have a team effort - with all the difficulties of communication, teamwork, and organisation that entails.The net result is that many promising projects will fail due to someone just not being an expert at everything, or not having enough time. Many projects will fail due to issues surrounding putting together and keeping together a team of people geographically distant. People who work on the remaining successful projects are increasingly tempted to go down the payware route because you have to justify the massive investment of your time.My point is, that with each new release of FS, the likelihood of quality Freeware being available is decreased. That is a shame, because the range of high quality free add-ons is probably the best FS feature. It certainly is one of the major factors in supporting the flight sim community we currently enjoy. I sincerely hope I'm wrong about this - I'm sure someone will try and prove me wrong... ;-)

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Let's see no Gmax aircraft? Hmmmmmmmmmm I can name just a fewMike Stone - B1900, B757, IL-96, soon to be released Falcon 2000FSD - SenecaProject Opensky - B747-400, CRJ, B767-400, Airbus 330Meljet - 747-400FFG - Saab 340And those are from the prolific builders, there are many others out there.

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You big teaser you..;) Looks spotless as allways. Let'er rip!Paul

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Hmmmm... That looks kinda nice...(Okay, I'm kidding. It looks awesome!) Hope it'll be out in time for "the Holiday Season." What a present to the FS community that'd be!Rob D.:-beerchug

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