Well john, like an idiot, i wanted to know what i was in for. I unplugged my computer, and opened the case and looked around. Ive got 4 fans in my case, so thats 4 wires right there, then i have about 100 others. I found the wire that their website says to unplugg from the hdd, and it is twist tied about 10 times with every other wire in my case. So i guess, instead of clipping every twist tie, etc etc, trying to track it down, ill get the card, and have my pc builder put it in. It litterally, wouldnt be to easy to replace the power plug for my hdd. And i guess while i was back there, something got messed up, because now my mouse wont work. Its plugged into the USB and everything, just not working... *sigh* I should of left well enough, alone....

Hey guys, I bought a x850 pro with 12 pipelines and upgraded the bios with instructions from overclockers.net to be the same as a x850xtpe and am runnung still with the stock cooling fans. Saved myself $150 here in Canada. Just a thought. :-)TonyP IV 3.0 HT1 GB@400MHzWD 160 GB HD WD 60 GB HDATI X850ProSaitek X45

how does it run bro?

Soory, its been a couple days since I was here. Above the weather I get about 40-50 frames (I like to run unlimeted frame rates). When I get into the weather it drops to about 25-30 and when I hit some busy or very detailed airports in heavy weather I might see 15. The sim runs so smooth compared to my old 9600xt. The card I have is a ATI and has 256mb memory. It is probably best to read the forums on overclocking before you decide what to get. I didn't do that but was pleasantly surprised when I found what I could accomplish. The frames quoted above are what I remember not something that I have written down to tell you. Hopefully this helps you in your decision if you haven't made it already.TonyP IV 3.0 HT1 GB@400MHzWD 160 GB HD WD 60 GB HDATI X850ProSaitek X45

Hi tony,it has. Im going for the x850xt. I wish i could get the HIS, but its near 500. http://hisdigital.com/html/product_ov.php?id=182&view=yes Pricy though...