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Now which card Nvida 280 Or 4870

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hey i am going to order a card for my new computer this weekend.. I just don't know what to go with. Do i stick with the cheaper ati 4870 or go for the Geforce 280. There is an overclocked version by ledtek that has pretty amazing ratings.http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct....s)%20-%20RetailI have a p45 board, so crossfire in the future and now isn't an option. Neither is cost if i am going to have the card for more than a year. I would love to wait until the real nvida ati battle starts when the ati*2 card is realised but i can't..Also i went a bit crazy and bought a 26" hd monitor.. so i would like it to run well..Regards. ps this my first post, and a welcome back to fs for me after a long stay away so be kind with all my smelling mistakes.:) TJ

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I would stay away from the GTX280Overpriced.4870 seems better value.If price isn't a concern why not go for two 4870's in Crossfire?Alternatively two 4850's in crossfire would be cheaper than the above and better than a single 4870.

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I would get the 4870. Excellent reviews all over the place via Google search. Plus, we can't allow ATI/AMD to go out of business and leave NVIDIA as the only choice. Competition keeps prices down and NVIDIA saw ATI stuggling a little the past year or two with the AMD takeover and raised prices to an insane level for their many products. So, get two if you can afford them and run them in SLI mode as many suggest in forums through Google searches.Welcome back to FS!Jim

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> I just don't know what to go with. Do i stick with>the cheaper ati 4870 or go for the Geforce 280. It

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4870 based on my own cost benefit analysis.Etienne

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If you don't mind driver issues but want better performance, grab the GTX 280. If you don't want driver problems for a little less performance grab the 4870. After all the trouble I've been having with Nvidia drivers, for the first time in my life I'm feeling like I should have gone for an ATI.

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>If you don't mind driver issues but want better performance,>grab the GTX 280. What driver issues? I

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Allow me to correct myself, I should say if you don't mind a higher risk of getting driver issues, grab the GTX.

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Risk? It's real.With the GTX200's Vista64 bit driver: 1) My 2nd Vcard is disabled. The 2 additional monitors that have been successfully supported by my 8800GT's driver are now blank. BFG states "This feature is not supported." Really? Not for long I hope. 2) Vista's Sleep function is disabled. Vista's powercfg (monitor) states, "See Vdriver vendor for updated driver." Soon? 3) Window mode cuts frame rates by 75%. Full screen is OK. but I get pretty lost without my charts up on my (now) 3 dead monitors!

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>Allow me to correct myself, I should say if you don't mind a>higher risk of getting driver issues, grab the GTX.I

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>Risk? It's real.>>With the GTX200's Vista64 bit driver: >>1) My 2nd Vcard is disabled. The 2 additional monitors that>have been successfully supported by my 8800GT's driver are now>blank. BFG states "This feature is not supported." Really? Not>for long I hope. >>2) Vista's Sleep function is disabled. Vista's powercfg>(monitor) states, "See Vdriver vendor for updated driver.">Soon? >>3) Window mode cuts frame rates by 75%. Full screen is OK. but>I get pretty lost without my charts up on my (now) 3 dead>monitors!>> Are you referring to FSX?

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1 & 2 are the system. 3 is with FSX. Don't have 9 installed ATM. Full screen runs like the 8800GT. Honestly can't tell a difference.

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>3) Window mode cuts frame rates by 75%. Full screen is OK. but>I get pretty lost without my charts up on my (now) 3 dead>monitors! I can

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CoD and Crysis run fine. I'm now able to actually shoot those weird-flying-squid-things in High. The system's a Q6600@3.6+4Gs. I expect the mechanical install and driver load is not an issue. The default airplanes always had frames beyond any LoC (level of Concern). I generally lock frames. However clouds at 50FPS vs Clouds at 75FPS would not be a helpful improvement. I like to descend through layers into Cat3c approaches with - the works- with the PMDG 744 in FS9, but FSX makes these weather settings unflyable. The GTX did not help. However if this ATI X2 comes along as expected, the 200s might just get a run for their money. If they can get these driver issues fixed, a GTX260 at $250 might just be a keeper. So far though, I'm not willing to give up soo much go gain a little Farcry blasting satisfaction. http://66.196.80.202/babelfish/translate_u...2Cnews-596.html

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>However if this ATI X2 comes along as expected, the 200s might>just get a run for their money. If they can get these driver>issues fixed, a GTX260 at $250 might just be a keeper. I

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Got side tracked last weekend and didn't get around to posting my results of my two 4870's in CF mode -- used only for enhanced AA support as FSX can't utilize SLI nor Crossfire.So far, I'm VERY impressed with the 4870. 3DMark06 score is 21328 on Cat 8.7 Beta drivers. Under FSX I have it locked to 30 fps at 1920 x 1080, shadows on including scenery and NO flickers, yes NONE. I have not really done any tweaking yet either in FSX.CFG or with the Cat driver settings. I'll post some screen shots tomorrow of SFO showing no flickering with scenery shadows ON and solid 30 fps along with all the graphics settings. Bare in mine these are Cat 8.7 beta drivers as there is no "official" driver for the 4870.Will post more later this week, again sorry for the delay, just swamped!!

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No doubt the GTX 280 is a nice card. But it is lacking is some areas:1. No DX10.1 support2. Price3. Power consumption and heat4. Haven't solved shadow scenery flickering problem yet in FSX5. Still 65nm chipThat being said, Tri SLI numbers ($1800 GPU investment) look very good in games like Crysis, but only show performance gains when going to 2560 x 1600 screen resolution.However, I'd recommend that potential GPU buyers wait for ATI's 4870X2 single card. This is NOT a Crossfire configuration, this is 100% scalable dual GPU's on a single card. This means you'll be able to take advantage of the multi-GPUs in any game, not just games that work with Crossfire or SLI. Two of these 4870X2 will absolutely destroy GTX 280 SLI or Tri-SLI.The 4870X2 is due out sometime this month (July), but with the current success of the 4870 and no sign of the GTX 300, I'll bet ATI wait on the 4870X2 until nVidia release the GTX 300.

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Have to agree with you there, I don't see any more or less risk with drivers from either nVidia or ATI??Anyone care to expand?Is this about the "compression" definition? I recall a LONG LONG time ago both companies (ATI and nVidia) were caught redefining their "Quality" settings (aka compression) to increase the performance and even special drivers that tricked 3DMark benchmarking tool.

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I guess I wouldn't call it "risky" when trying new drivers, but after using ATI my whole life and only recently switching to an Nvidia board, I will say from my personal experiences that Nivida has some SERIOUS issues with their drivers and software. I've had more botched installs and driver corruption since purchasing this card than I had my whole life with ATI. And this is using WHQL signed drivers. It was only recently that I was finally able to even get the control panel to run. Just simple things like Nview not recognizing and maintaining proper resolution on my dual monitors etc etc. Also, there is huge mouse/graphics lag when I'm using the fightpanning map in FSX or design tools such as ADE or FSX Planner. It got so bad that I loaded all my design stuff on my second box with an ATI card - no issues - ever.With ATI it's load the drivers, setup ATI TRAY tools and you're done. With Nvidia it's been sometimes this works, sometimes that works......just my take.Regards, Kendall#1: E6750@3.2GHZ/Coolermaster HyperTX2 Gigabyte P35-DS3L 4GB Ballistix Tracers PC6400 EVGA 8800GT - 174.74 beta Seagate 250GB 7200.11 CH Yoke/Pedals/Saitek Throttle Dual Monitor: Dell 2405/1905 #2: Dell 8400 3.2 H.T. 3GB PC4200 - X800XT Diamond Xtreme/Logitech X-530's

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