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Need PDCS Documentation (real world)

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If someone out there has access to a Boeing-Lear PDCS manual, I could use some more detail on the real one, as I am working towards completion of the one Richard Probst started in the original TinMouse. I have several B732 AFMs, but neither has anything on the PDCS.Right now I am leaning on a PDCS that can drive the EPR bugs based on the -9, -15, and -17R (default) variants of the JT8D. By flying the reduced EPR schedules of the -15 or -9, one can fairly closely replicate the performance of these engines without need for a separate FDE.The new PDCS is expected to debut with v1.1 of the TinMouse II, hopefully a few weeks from now.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

The FMC and PDCS are two different beasts. All I have are my 737-200 training books which don't have much more than what's in the flight manuals.Cheers,JohnBoeing 727/737 & Lockheed C-130/L-100 Mechanichttp://www.sstsim.com/images/team/JR.jpg

Bob, I will look around; I may be able to find one. This is another piece of equipment I was eagerly waiting modeling on. :)regards,

just Honeywell PMS-PMI (VASP)http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0529551/L/the PMS/PMI do not drive the EPR bugs, but control Throttle via A/T to keep the TOGA/CLB/CRUISE/MCT Epr, and provide the correct N1% for TURB.also, A/T provides minimum N1% for Anti-ice operation.

Gustavo Rodrigues - Brazil

Guatavo, I would imagine doing a version that just drives the EPR gauges and ASI would be sufficient for the moment; It helps a lot to just have the PDCS set the correct EPR for you (When selected of course). I am honestly not a fan of automation in the likes of autothrottles coupled to FMC's, as they greatly simply things and, at least for FS in my opinion, makes it boring :) . Of course it is up to Bob which version he decides to do.regards,Macs :)

PMI* can give you the EPR, you just need to adjust (If is your desire) the EPR BUG.you really don't need the full A/T sys. And I share the same point of view about automation in FS.One thing really good, and don't really need the PDCS, is the TAT/EPR gauge.the TAT/EPR in the "newest" 737-200, the F/O select the mode of the gauge.TO/GA - MCT - CLB - CRZ (MAX CRZ EPR)regards,gustavo.PMI - Performance Management IndicatorPMS - Performance Management System

Gustavo Rodrigues - Brazil

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I like the TAT/EPR gauge, but have decided to go with fleshing out the PDCS primarily due to limitations on panel real estate. For those with single monitors, it's a better solution to set the mode on the PDCS and then have EPR schedule cues available through the PDCS-driven EPR gauge bugs on the main panel. I may do the TAT/EPR gauge at some point in the future as an option.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

Bob, I wanted to send you a private message, but you show as non-existent :-hmmmIt's regarding the PDCS :)regards,Macs :)

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You can always use the TinMouse II support e-mail.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Santiago de Chile

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

Roger.regards,Macs :)

I have a complete PDCS manual - is this what you're looking for?PDCMan.jpg

Simon Holderness

I was always quite keen on a better PDCS for this product - I will gladly scan the whole thing (about 90 pages or so I think) if it will mean a better reproduction for all.

Simon Holderness

  • 2 years later...

As a big favor for myself, as a one very much interested in the technical aspects of this great aircraft, I would very much like a copy of this manual (if you have scanned it).This would be very much appreciated.If you are ok with this request, how will I be able to receive it?Regards.

  • 1 year later...
I was always quite keen on a better PDCS for this product - I will gladly scan the whole thing (about 90 pages or so I think) if it will mean a better reproduction for all.
Was this document ever posted. Reason for the question is we operate a B737-200 for enginering training & cannot get our hands on on a copy to trouble shoot the system. Any help would be appreciated.

Mark 


P3D V5.3 HF2, i9-11900K, 5.4GHz, MSI RTX3060 12GB VRAM, ASU Prime Z590-P,  32GB Vengeance Pro DDR4 3200MHz RAM, 1 x 1TB Samsung 970 Evo plus, 2 x 500GB Crucial SSD500GB SSD. Win 11 Pro

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