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Hi Alex,There is a work-around for the expired gauge. I assume you are getting Action Code 08-69. If so, just re-cycle your MSU switch to OFF and back to STBY to enter your ramp coordinates. This should clear the error.Cheers,JohnBoeing 727/737 & Lockheed C-130/L-100 Mechanichttp://www.sstsim.com/images/team/JR.jpgwww.SSTSIM.com

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I just got a note from Marco Ravanello, one of the authors of the CIVA Delco INS. He says they're getting V1.50 ready for release, probably later this month. Until then, the MSU power-switch recycle as described by John above will enable you to work around the current expiration.CheersBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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Hm - I just tried that with my CIVA unit and while the MSU cycling gets you past the error codes, mine then sticks at API6 (even on accelerated alignment). Do you know if there's a workaround for this too?Thanks!;)

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>Hm - I just tried that with my CIVA unit and while the MSU>cycling gets you past the error codes, mine then sticks at>API6 (even on accelerated alignment). Do you know if there's a>workaround for this too?>>Thanks!>;)What, if any, error codes did you have and did you clear them? Did you enter your current lat/long before turning off the MSU? Try turning the MSU off and then place it to standby..... then enter your position and align. I find if you don't re-enter yout current position after cycling the MSU it will hang at API6.Cheers,JohnBoeing 727/737 & Lockheed C-130/L-100 Mechanichttp://www.sstsim.com/images/team/JR.jpgwww.SSTSIM.com

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Hi John - thanks! It was exactly that - I hadn't re-entered my position a second time. When I did, it worked normally.Thanks again.Martyn;)

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Why was this given a limited lifespan? These "work arounds" are not acceptable to me..Im not going to have a red warn light come on every time for no reason and then I say..."oh everything is just fine!"...and whos to say that all of my planes will accept the new version like they did the old one...what is the purpose of having it all of a sudden not work for no reason..when for years it was fine! Shouldnt the forums be flooding with confused angry CIVA INS users!

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Just a little question for you, Rennman: How much have you paid for the CIVA INS? Cheers,Thiago Souza

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the better question is...why has your defense not included any rationalization or explanation ? ;-)

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Well..a simple explanation my friend: First of all, you got your INS for free. Second, the INS is for sure very difficult and requires a lot of hard work to do. The developers spent a lot of their times to bring us a add-on with great realism and complexity(for free I repeat). Soon the 1.50 version will be available. My opinion is that you should at least be more prudent with your agressive words, which does not contribute in any form with the flight simulation. Another quite simple point: in fact, there are few real 737-200s fitted with INS. Many of them only have conventional navigation systems (NDB and VOR). So, if you are unsatisfied and nervous with the expiration of the INS data, just unninstal the unit and be happy without it, at least till the 1.50 version release!Cheers,Thiago Souza

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so because it has no cost is why it was made to fail?is the reason that you are unable to provide a good reason for this is because there isnt any?

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i dont wish a war with you...in fact i am appreciative or your attempt to justify this latest issue..but so far you have not ...if you mean that because its a free gauge i cant copmplain too harshly..that i agree with...i WILL voice my opinions presented here to civa directly believe me if their support site re-opens!..and do to human nature i expect probably even harsher resistance!...but ..you should ask yourself why you took this defensive position without the sufficient ammo to back it up...(with respect of course.)thanks again for responding

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Hi everyone...Well, I don`t use CIVA, but I`m a FS add-on developer and can say:If you don`t like or have problems with an freeware add-on, you can do only 3 things:1- Stop using it, easy, no?2- Help the developer to solve the problems3- Do your own add-on, better than the otherRennman, when you create something just for fun and others start to criticize your job, you will understand.So, if you are not happy with CIVA INS, create your own Inercial sistem to Flight Simulator...CheersThales Coelho-----------------------------------Texturas Brasileiras Texture Grouphttp://www.aerovirtual.org/texturasbrasileiras

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i like choice #2...but alas ..you can see by this very thread how we humans dont take critcism well!

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>Just a little question for you, Rennman: How much have you>paid for the CIVA INS? >>Cheers,>Thiago SouzaThis was exactly the question i had to myself. And this was the only reason why i did not start to complain about the current situation. THis plane is still one of the best in my hangar - even if i own almost all the paywares.But - the described workaround did not help me and i can still not get the CIVA running. Is there maybe another idea?Keep going and ignore the negative comments. There is no reason to complain (this is my opinion).Daniel

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The CIVA INS v1.50 is nearing release. A compatible version of the TinMouse II gauges has already been compiled and is ready to release when v1.50 hits the streets. When that will happen is up to Marco and company.As to why there's a programmed expiration on the CIVA INS, I don't know, but that was a conscious decision made by the team that developed it, well within their rights to do, and I have to respect it.Bottom line: nobody is entitled to any sort of explanation for the design decisions made by the CIVA team, especially not here in this forum.Bob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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>i dont wish a war with you...in fact i am appreciative or>your attempt to justify this latest issue..but so far you have>not ...if you mean that because its a free gauge i cant>copmplain too harshlyBecause it's free...a gift to you, in fact...you shouldn't complain at all.>..that i agree with...i WILL voice my>opinions presented here to civa directly believe me if their>support site re-opens!And until then this is not the place.>..and do to human nature i expect>probably even harsher resistance!What you should expect is a justifiably dismayed look of puzzlement as to why someone would thank them for this gift with these sorts of ungrateful "opinions." What makes you think a support forum is put there for this purpose?>...but ..you should ask>yourself why you took this defensive position without the>sufficient ammo to back it up...(with respect of>course.)Because his Mom taught him manners, I suspect. If you're invited to someone's house for dinner, and they serve you something you don't like, it's simply not polite to look at the hosts and tell them "this dish tastes awful." The point is not that you did it respectfully, the point is that you did it at all. A mannered person wouldn't let on...in fact some of us would even eat what we had taken just to avoid insulting the host.Hopefully the parallels aren't escaping you here.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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> the described workaround did not help me and i can still>not get the CIVA running. Is there maybe another idea?You can always set the clock on the PC back to a date before 1 Jan 07.But turning the INS to ALIGN, then off, then back to STBY followed by entering the PPOS and pressing forward works OK here.RegardsBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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not only do we have the right to challenge ANY type of illogic..no matter how it shows its face....we have the obligation too!

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>not only do we have the right to challenge ANY type of>illogic..no matter how it shows its face....we have the>obligation too!rennman,As a payware developer I'm not going to get into a discusion with you why the FREEWARE gauge has an expiry on it. One thing I will ask though. Is it that hard to turn the MSU from OFF -> Standby -> OFF -> Standby to get it to work in the short time until Ver 1.50 is released? If you follow that work-around, you will not get any warning lights other than the usual ones during startup and alignment.I also side with Bob in that your manners are rude and unacceptable in regards to this. Marco is working hard to give YOU a FREE Ver 1.50 INS and the least you could do is accept the very easy work around until it's released and learn some manners.Cheers,JohnBoeing 727/737 & Lockheed C-130/L-100 Mechanichttp://www.sstsim.com/images/team/JR.jpgwww.SSTSIM.com

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when i first purchased your product(concorde) i was in love with it...and i still am!....but i immediately voiced my objection about not incorporating your OWN ins gauge...(and of course I was quickly admonished for doing so!)i predicted that being dependent on an external gauge could lead to some problems...and..here we are!as far as the turning it on and off, that's just not for me..ill explain1. if it used to work just fine ...then there is no reason why it shouldn't now2.real pilots dont do this everytime they do a "puddlejump"..and the satisfaction that i get from flightsim comes from how closely i can them mimic them.(from my desktop of course!)3.red warn lights do not mean everything is fine...allow me to elaborate i tried the turning it on and off and the alignment went perfectly ..then i did a flight from Kennedy to Heathrow...when i reached Newfoundland...the red warn light came on and the ins stopped working.in conclusion let me say this...if i am being rude let me sincerely apologize...as a psychologist i should know that would be counterproductive..and is not the way to do things..i will endeavor to keep this discussion civil..no matter how harshly i am dissagreed with.. my "heated" attitude comes from the frustration of not being able to fly the sst right now...and even more so...the wide acceptance of the needless...the best way to quiet me down is to show me why this expiration is needed..which so far no one can.all of my points are facts..if i am proven wrong..i will say "thank you!..I needed that!"If you can't then you need to ask yourself why you tried to in the firstplace! once again (for the sst)...thank you for a incredibly top end add onover and out!

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>when i first purchased your product(concorde) i was in love>with it...and i still am!....but i immediately voiced my>objection about not incorporating your OWN ins gauge...(and of>course I was quickly admonished for doing so!)i predicted that>being dependent on an external gauge could lead to some>problems...and..here we are!Without pandering to your rant I will say that the SimuFly INS gauge is near perfect so why re-invent the wheel! You are in the severe minority in your views on our choice. There is also a well know TCAS/IVSI freeware developer out there that many products use but I don't hear the same complaints. This is the last I will address your concerns about our product on someone elses forum. If you still have problems with our choices please post them at www.sstsim.com>as far as the turning it on and off, that's just not for>me..ill explain>1. if it used to work just fine ...then there is no reason why>it shouldn't now.Boy, you do need to relax. It works fine with a very minor work-around. You're making it sound like it's the end of the world. The reason SimuFly decided to put an expiry on their FREE gauge was their choice and we have given you a very easy fix until a new FREE gauge arrives shortly. I would suggest that ranting any more over this is useless as nothing is going to be done with the expiry of Ver 1.40 with Ver 1.50 so close. Please consider Ver 1.50 the fix for your woes and go flying.>2.real pilots dont do this everytime they do a>"puddlejump"..and the satisfaction that i get from flightsim>comes from how closely i can them mimic them.(from my desktop>of course!)That one is just being very picky considering a resolution to the problem exists and a new FREE gauge is around the corner. BTW, real world pilots have work arounds as well if something doesn't work just right. It's called experience and using an abnormal check list. Even in the real world systems are not perfect and have to be re-cycled.>3.red warn lights do not mean everything is fine...allow me to>elaborate> i tried the turning it on and off and the alignment went>perfectly ..then i did a flight from Kennedy to>Heathrow...when i reached Newfoundland...the red warn light>came on and the ins stopped working.>Sounds like your warning light was an INS overheat. Did you check for an error code or just assume that the gauge expiration was at fault? Did you delete the related *.isd file after your fault? There is an abnormal checklist for the INS as well. The INS is programed for random faults so this is probably what you had as the gauge expiry problem only affects the first INS turned on and once cleared is no longer in the failure cue.Cheers,JohnBoeing 727/737 & Lockheed C-130/L-100 Mechanichttp://www.sstsim.com/images/team/JR.jpgwww.SSTSIM.com

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>not only do we have the right to challenge ANY type of illogic..no >matter how it shows its face....we have the obligation too!For the record, you have no rights here whatsoever. You have the revocable privelege to participate in discussions related to support of the TinMouse II.Your opinions on the CIVA are outside the scope of this forum. Knock it off.Bob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-VSantiago de Chile

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seems that my version of CIVA expired on 1st jan 2007is a new version out there?alex

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