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I have a Dell P4-3.06Ghz w/ a ATI X1650 Pro 512meg video, 1gig of ram. It is running WinXP Home SP2. I am bugged by the fact that although my flying is very smooth with frames locked at 25-30 FPS, I get these pauses when I switch views to look out the window while the plane texture loads. I am talking about VC textures here. Any plane with a VC does this. Some, like the PA-31T from DA is unflyable it pauses so much, while the Aeroworx B200 is slightly faster. I will include a copy of my FS9.CFG file. Any help or ideas? Thanks.Pat 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Pat,If you haven't utilized one of the good defraggers (such as Ultimate Defrag - http://www.disktrix.com/ with 7 day free trial) you may be missing out on some serious optimization. The idea is to get all the FS files defragged and close together so they can be accessed with minimum delay. The improvement I saw was amazing: flying at 1100+ kts and having the terrain and such stay current - http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/168726.jpgThere are many opinions as to "the best" cfg settings and there probably isn't any ONE combination that is right for every body, but IMHO the place to start is by making sure that your system is absolutely as smooth and fast as it can be before fretting over fine details in the cfg.Loyd

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Loyd, Thanks for the response. Yes, I do use a de-fragger called Diskeeper. Probably once a week at least.Pat

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I think the slow-loading textures of the Cheyenne are a feature of the aircraft rather than your system.What's happening is that whenever you switch views, it's loading the VC textures even though you may be in the 2D panel, as it uses the former for the side views.It's a good looking plane and nothing is for free!If you look left at the engine nacelle, you'l notice a little polished disk, I take it it's a catch of some kind, which actually reflects what's below and to the right!I have a similar system, 3.6 P4, Nvidia 8950GT with 512mb, although I do have 3gb of RAM.I find I can fly the Cheyenne from the VC fairly happily with frame rates in the mid to high 20's (with ASV6, GE Pro and UT) unless there is a lot of cloud. I use Active Camera to provide pre-set panel views in the VC in lieu of the 2D sub-panels.This is the first plane I have attempted to fly from the VC, but as it's all clickable, you don't need the 2D panel. Because you have the VC textures loaded all the time, you can look around the cockpit and cabin with no delay at all. If you go out to Spot view or whatever, you may have a delay getting back into the VC, but it's once only, not every time you look left or right.

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The issue with the texture loading in the Cheyenne has come up before. See http://www.digital-aviation.de/ewpforum/vi...ghlight=texture The solution is to reduce the texture sizes. I changed all the files to DXT1 (lower quality) and the file sizes went from about 1 MB each to around 600k if I remember correctly. I used Martin Wright's program http://fly.to/mwgfx It's a bit overkill for what you need to do but it's a fairly simple process: Use his program, open a texture file and then just resave in the format you want. Experiment on the default aircraft before doing it on the Cheyenne ;-) In fact, I now do the conversion with almost all my planes if the the texture files are too large. It really helps if you don't care that the outside views may not be perfect. I cna't really tell much of a difference. Mike

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Pat,Interesting question. I have a Dell Dimension with almost the exact setup as yours, P4, 3.0ghz, 1gb ram and I just now had to switch to the same video card as you have. (ATI Radeon X1650 Pro AGP 512mb)My old Radeon 9800Pro bit the dust after about 3 years of FS. I believe it was a far superior card to the X1650 Pro, but money was the prime concern at the moment.The new card works fine after I went through all the tweaks to see what made it look best, but I did notice that it was slower to load the textures upon switching views. Not bad, but not as good as my previous card.The only thing I found to make a noticeable difference was to put the aircraft texture files through an editor such as DXTbmp, and change the texture types from (32bit or DXT1) to DXT3. This reduces the file size considerably without a reduction in image quality. If you notice any degradation, your eyes are a lot better than mine.My 2 cents..Cheers,Bob

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Thanks for all the responses. I have the slow loading on almost any plane with a VC it's just the Cheyenne is the worst. I do convert all my aircraft texture files to DXT3 w/ no mipmaps. Will DXT1 be that big of a help? Pat

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Sorry Pat,Maybe I was a little unclear in my post.. I only change to DXT3, as this seems to be the most compressed texture type. And I too, eliminate the mipmaps.Hope this helps,Bob

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