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hi Nick,the new i-7 system is up & running. i don't have everything installed yet and no o/c yet. i thought i'd wait a few days & see how things go first. i don't know if this is an indication of a prob. right off the bat (hope not). in Device Mgr. the SM Bus Controller is listed as an "unknown device" with a "yellow bang & yellow question mark" next to it as well as System Interrupt Controller (6 times with that one). according to the Release Notes for the latest Intel Chipset Update the X58 chipset is not supported. is this the reason for the "yellow bangs" mention aboved? is this a result of Intel moving away from the FSB and the chipset update is no longer needed? if so, can they be removed in Device Mgr. without causing any probs? will they just reappear the next time the system is booted? or do i have a prob. this early in the game?i know with the P5E3 mobo. that i had the yellow bang would be gone after installing the chipset update. and, i never had the System Interrupt Controller show up in Dev. Mgr. as an "unknown device" prior to installing the chipset update with the P5E3 either. again, thanks for your help. suggestions/comments are welcomed. sys. spec.'s are below...btw, CPU temp. according to the BIOS after a few hrs. of operation was 50 degressC. sounds a ltiile warm to me. was more thermal paste needed for the i-7 than the QX8650 Extreme? i did apply a litlle bit more with the 965. also, SpeedStep, CE1 Support, HT and Virtualization is disabled in the BIOS. everything else is Default except for all that onboard crap ie...onboard audio, LAN, and Express Gate. PC Power and Colling 860W PSUP6T Deluxe v2 Mobo.i7 965 Extreme non O/C (yet) with Zalman CNPS9700 all copper HS with Artic Silver 56GB 1600 Mushkin Red Line MEM triple channel - 3 sticks4870 1GBWD Raptor 150GBX-Fi Fatality Pro (PCI-E) (coming soon) (the 4870 rendered 1 of the PCI slots useless)WinXP Pro x64 SP2DX9

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Hi,If you don't install the drivers and you manually remove them via the device manager they will return upon boot up. Since they are not supported, you can disable them via the device manager.I see you have the P6T Deluxe V2 motherboard, I purchased the same one. I'm waiting on the release of the I7 975 CPU before I build my system. Did you try installing the drivers with the driver CD that came with the motherboard?.As far as the temps your seeing, the Zalman heatsink you have performed the worst out of all heatsinks tested. If you are going to overclock you may want to look into replacing your heatsink. The test listed below was with the Zalman CNPS9900, you have the CNPS9700, according to their website, the 9700 is five degrees warmer than the 9900.test.jpgThe complete test of the above mentioned heatsinks can be found here:http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?opti...5&Itemid=62

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hi Mike,i didn't try installing the drivers from the driver CD. it's been my exp. that the drivers (chipset) are the same as the ones available at Intel's website just an older version. i always used Intel's latest drivers with previous mobos. without any probs.concerning the Zalman HS, that really surprises me. i didn't know that. you would think the all copper HS regardless of the Mfgr. would be the best at cooling. doesn't copper displace heat better? i will look into getting the thermalright.hope you get your new CPU soon. i may be buggin you and or Nick with some O/C'g questions later on if you guys don't mind. it seems he hasn't replied to any of my last couple of posts for whatever reason.thanks for the info., Tim

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That is just the device manager telling you that it couldn't find the right driver for the device. I used to have that problem before, but it didn't pose any problems (that was back when I had my ECS ATi chipset motherboard with an AMD processors though). Unless your using an onboard video solution, you do not need to worry about the drivers. I remember someone saying you can disable them, DO NOT DO THAT!!!! :( :(. The device manager may gray out the option to disable it anyway, because that is the System Management (SM) Bus. Without the drivers, you may not be able to use PowerStep (I think that is what is called. Haven't used my 2nd Intel P4 system in like 3 yrs :( ). You might not be able to get CPU temps, NB temps, SYS temps, etc, inside Windows as well, or they may be incorrect, it will not affect BIOS hardware monitoring. The SMBus provides that data for the system.Also. For applying thermal paste, I recommend doing what the manufacturer and most people do. Put a rice sized grain on the middle of the heatspreader and put the heatsink on (The processor is in the middle of the metal heatspreader anyway) . The pressure of the HS will spread out the paste evenly, don't worry about it. I use Arctic Silver Ceramique because overtime the bond will strengthen, and reduce temps. Apply too much paste, and you will have a heat transfer problem. The paste is just there to fill in the microscopic gaps on the processor heatspreader and heatsink, that way heat is transferred directly and not by small airpockets.

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Hi Tim,Nick said he would be away for awhile, guess he's not back yet. I'm hoping the new CPU will be released this month. All the other parts are here, I'm waiting for the final piece (i7 975 CPU). I'm still not sure if I'm going to run Windows 7 or Windows XP Pro 64 bit.Looking / Hoping to O/C to at least 4.5GHz, guess I'll have to wait and see.If you are unable to find any compatible chipset drivers online, I would install the drivers on the CD and at least get them loaded correctly, then worry about finding updated drivers online.I wouldn't worry about the TIM, your temps are inline with what the Zalman 9700 can do, unless your going to lap your heatsink. It has been proven time-and-time again that a applying a small pea size drop of TIM and allowing the Heatsink to spread it doesn't work well. As a matter of fact there are numerous photos that show the H/S and/or CPU after such application and the poor coverage obtained by doing this.I will cover my CPU the way I've been doing it for years, by applying an extremely thin layer of TIM over the entire processor. I will also lap the heatsink, this should get me another 5

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Hi Tim,Nick said he would be away for awhile, guess he's not back yet. I'm hoping the new CPU will be released this month. All the other parts are here, I'm waiting for the final piece (i7 975 CPU). I'm still not sure if I'm going to run Windows 7 or Windows XP Pro 64 bit.Looking / Hoping to O/C to at least 4.5GHz, guess I'll have to wait and see.If you are unable to find any compatible chipset drivers online, I would install the drivers on the CD and at least get them loaded correctly, then worry about finding updated drivers online.I wouldn't worry about the TIM, your temps are inline with what the Zalman 9700 can do, unless your going to lap your heatsink. It has been proven time-and-time again that a applying a small pea size drop of TIM and allowing the Heatsink to spread it doesn't work well. As a matter of fact there are numerous photos that show the H/S and/or CPU after such application and the poor coverage obtained by doing this.I will cover my CPU the way I've been doing it for years, by applying an extremely thin layer of TIM over the entire processor. I will also lap the heatsink, this should get me another 5

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Hi,Actually, for the I7 and the Quad/Dual Core CPU they recommend a thin line of arctic silver spread horizontally over the core(s). The single core CPU is the "ONLY" CPU they recommend a grain of rice application.I7 & Quad Core CPU------------------------------http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appinstruc...l_quad_wcap.pdfDual Core CPU----------------------http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appinstruc...l_dual_wcap.pdfSingle Core CPU-------------------------http://www.arcticsilver.com/pdf/appinstruc...lecore_wcap.pdf

Well I used to spread my thermal paste over the processor, but with Artic Silver they recommend that you apply a rice grain size and let the pressure of the heatsink do the job, and with Artic Silver Ceramique, spreading the thermal paste is a PITA.

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HIT-N-RUNNO FOLLOW UP SO READ AND FOLLOW1. SM BIOS

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Almost forgotI HAVE seen the chipset drivers NOT install the full support automatically on motherboards in the past.. the workaround for this is1. Make sure you have the UNZIPPED and DECOMPRESSED chipset drivers on the drive in a folder2. In device manager, right click on other devices showing YELLOW - UPDATE DRIVER and direct BROWSE search to the folder created in step 1. You will need to manually browse to the folder that contains the drivers.. the OK button should go from GRAY to AVAILABLE. With the Asus downloaded drivers I think that was: Intel_ChipsetUtility_NUMBER\All <------------------ this folder (but its been a while so I cant remember for sure)for VISTA I think it was the VISTA folder.. again, you need to see which one but for XP it was 'ALL' as I recallse if it finds the drivers and installs that waygood luck

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hi All,thanks for all the help & info. will get those drivers installed pronto...hopefullyhappy flyin, Tim

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hi All,mobo. drivers are installed and the yellow bangs are gone. waiting on the X-Fi (PCI-E) to arrive and trying to find a Thermalright 120 HS.so far, no random reboots & no cold start-up probs.thanks to All for all the help and suggestions.happy flyin, Tim

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Mike,i just ordered the Therm. 120 U/E from CrazyPC.com it appears Newegg used to stock them but for some reason doesn't anymore.in case ur interested, CrazyPC has the Prolimatech Megalems in stock. thought u might like to know. happy flyin, Tim

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I thought I may share a bit of follow up on the Internet TV Infomercial called the "Hardware Site"Please look at this review from 2008http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?opti...p;limitstart=13Please look at the position of the Thermalright 120 against the OCZ Vedetta2.. not to mention a few othersNow Please look at where these devices sit here (or the chart above)http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?opti...p;limitstart=16the ONLY DIFFERENCE between the devices that show up in both tests is a 1366 CLIP and MOUNT!this makes even more sense! http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?opti...p;limitstart=11LOL!It seems to me the Thermalright being #2 with a hotter CPU, and, on January 1st it was #7 on a 775 slug is quite SILLY when the same #1 VendettaII in January was almost LASTNEVER believe these sites!The better ones will at LEAST make sure they show SOME continuity in their BS!LOL!

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thanks for that info. Nick. seems to be getting harder these days to find good no non-sense reviews.btw, once i get the Therm. installed, i think it'll be time for some overclocking. had the sys. a week now without any random restarts and cold start-up probs. & no probs. with any of the programs either.i'm hoping the Thermalright will bring down the Proc. idle temp. at least 10 degrees (currently at 50 degreesC). with the i-7 965 Extreme that i'm using i'd like to get the Proc. speed between 3.6 - 3.8Ghz. and the Mushkin Red Line PC1600 Mem. running at the 1600 speed (currently running at 1333). i'd be satisfied with triple 8 timings at the 1600 speed. looking for a little more stability this time around. the 1600 speed with the P6T Deluxe v2 is via O/C only according to the manual. however, when the DRAM Freq. is set to Man. in the BIOS the DDR3 1600 speed is one of the options listed. what would be the best way to obtain the above speeds with the Mem. and Proc.? any voltage suggestions to start with (Mem., Proc., QPI etc...)?b4 i forget, INTEL SPEEDSTEP, CE1 SUPPORT, CPU/PCIE (SPREAD SPECTRUM), CPU TM, HT, INTEL VIRTUALIZATION & TURBO MODE are Disabled in the BIOS.again, many thanks for your time and help. very much appreciated. happy flyin, Tim

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thanks for that info. Nick. seems to be getting harder these days to find good no non-sense reviews.btw, once i get the Therm. installed, i think it'll be time for some overclocking. had the sys. a week now without any random restarts and cold start-up probs. & no probs. with any of the programs either.i'm hoping the Thermalright will bring down the Proc. idle temp. at least 10 degrees (currently at 50 degreesC). with the i-7 965 Extreme that i'm using i'd like to get the Proc. speed between 3.6 - 3.8Ghz. and the Mushkin Red Line PC1600 Mem. running at the 1600 speed (currently running at 1333). i'd be satisfied with triple 8 timings at the 1600 speed. looking for a little more stability this time around. the 1600 speed with the P6T Deluxe v2 is via O/C only according to the manual. however, when the DRAM Freq. is set to Man. in the BIOS the DDR3 1600 speed is one of the options listed. what would be the best way to obtain the above speeds with the Mem. and Proc.? any voltage suggestions to start with (Mem., Proc., QPI etc...)?b4 i forget, INTEL SPEEDSTEP, CE1 SUPPORT, CPU/PCIE (SPREAD SPECTRUM), CPU TM, HT, INTEL VIRTUALIZATION & TURBO MODE are Disabled in the BIOS.again, many thanks for your time and help. very much appreciated. happy flyin, Tim
for 3.8-4Ghz operationCPU Voltage - 1.35 to 1.42 - you must find the lowest stableDRAM VOLTAGE - 1.65-1.69 (1.65 most common) and you will probably need to run that regardless to use REDLINE 1600QPI/DRAM VOLTAGE - 1.37 - 1.42 (1.37 most common) and you will probably need to run that regardless to use REDLINE 1600Rules and relations:BCLK (Base Clock

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Nick,this is the Mush. Redline Mem. that i got....http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226050i did not see the Mem. that you linked me too (in ur previous post) when i ordered the Mem. i wish i had.i doubt the Mem that i got will run at those advertised 6-7 timings at the 1600 speed. what do u think? will those heat sinks make that much of a difference in the cooling?btw, you kinda lost me here...QPI Frequency = BCLK x QPI Multiplier (Options: 4800/5866/6400 MHz @ BCLK 133 MHz)what shoud the QPI Multiplier be set to? which one of those options would be more suitable for a 3.8 - 3.9 CPU clock speed?Uncore Multiplier (frequency) ≥ 2 x Memory Multiplier (frequency)understand that partUncore Multiplier (frequency) : QPI Multiplier (frequency)lost me againsome of this stuff is new to me. correct me if i'm wrong, with the 965 extreme if i interpret your info. correctly, i need to do the following Only in the BIOS...1. leave BCLK at 133 2. for a CPU clock speed of 3.8Ghz - set CPU multiplier manually to 28 or 29 3. Mem. Speed (Frequency) of 1600 - select DDR1600 (change the DRAMFREQ. setting from AUTO to DDR1600) and set the Memory Timings manually. if the Mushie's can't handle the 6 7 x x timings because of the HeatSinks, will 7-7-7 18 timings be acceptable at 1.65v?4. set CPU, Memory, & QPI/DRAM voltages manually (CPU tweaking required and possibly QPI/DRAM). as i enter the voltage figures for each field do i need to hit the "Enter" key afterwards to make them "Stick/Take" so to speak? seems like i read somtheing about that recently in one of my PC Mags. 5. Uncore Multiplier(Frequency) 2 x Mem. Multiplier(Frequency) and QPI Multiplier(Frquency)...set all those Manually? or are they set correctly Automatically upon saving changes & exiting the BIOS? thank you very much for your help and patience.happy flyin, Tim

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btw, once i get the Therm. installed, i think it'll be time for some overclocking. had the sys. a week now without any random restarts and cold start-up probs. & no probs. with any of the programs either.i'm hoping the Thermalright will bring down the Proc. idle temp. at least 10 degrees (currently at 50 degreesC). with the i-7 965 Extreme that i'm using i'd like to get the Proc. speed between 3.6 - 3.8Ghz. and the Mushkin Red Line PC1600 Mem. running at the 1600 speed (currently running at 1333).
Looks like we have a new king of the hill. Hopefully we'll see a few more hardware sites test this puppy out and get a more balanced look.The thing is massive!CoolMaster V10FaxCap

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Looks like we have a new king of the hill. Hopefully we'll see a few more hardware sites test this puppy out and get a more balanced look.The thing is massive!CoolMaster V10FaxCap
naaaaaathat thing is a monster that blocks you from getting to your memory and although it uses TEC for that price it better let me clock 4.5+GHz and thats not happening so I see no use for that thingGimmick is more in line with that... gotta have something that looks like a V8 engine to max out a CPU when another HSF for 1/2 the price will do the same thing and wont block my access to my memory

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Nick,this is the Mush. Redline Mem. that i got....http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226050i did not see the Mem. that you linked me too (in ur previous post) when i ordered the Mem. i wish i had.i doubt the Mem that i got will run at those advertised 6-7 timings at the 1600 speed. what do u think? will those heat sinks make that much of a difference in the cooling?btw, you kinda lost me here...QPI Frequency = BCLK x QPI Multiplier (Options: 4800/5866/6400 MHz @ BCLK 133 MHz)what shoud the QPI Multiplier be set to? which one of those options would be more suitable for a 3.8 - 3.9 CPU clock speed?Uncore Multiplier (frequency) ≥ 2 x Memory Multiplier (frequency)understand that partUncore Multiplier (frequency) : QPI Multiplier (frequency)lost me againsome of this stuff is new to me. correct me if i'm wrong, with the 965 extreme if i interpret your info. correctly, i need to do the following Only in the BIOS...1. leave BCLK at 133 2. for a CPU clock speed of 3.8Ghz - set CPU multiplier manually to 28 or 29 3. Mem. Speed (Frequency) of 1600 - select DDR1600 (change the DRAMFREQ. setting from AUTO to DDR1600) and set the Memory Timings manually. if the Mushie's can't handle the 6 7 x x timings because of the HeatSinks, will 7-7-7 18 timings be acceptable at 1.65v?4. set CPU, Memory, & QPI/DRAM voltages manually (CPU tweaking required and possibly QPI/DRAM). as i enter the voltage figures for each field do i need to hit the "Enter" key afterwards to make them "Stick/Take" so to speak? seems like i read somtheing about that recently in one of my PC Mags. 5. Uncore Multiplier(Frequency) 2 x Mem. Multiplier(Frequency) and QPI Multiplier(Frquency)...set all those Manually? or are they set correctly Automatically upon saving changes & exiting the BIOS? thank you very much for your help and patience.happy flyin, Tim
From what I can see those are the same memory sticks.. I dont have time to look up why the model # is different at this point but they have the same timing and speed specsIf its from Mushkin you can expect them to do what they say however it will also depend on how stable the CPU is too. One thing about Mushkin.. you can go to their forums and they will assist if those sticks are not running specYou got the idea of how it works from your list but do not make it complicated.. its very simple. Look at the list I posted and that is what you need to setWhen you get into Windows and check with CPUz to verify memory speed and timing you will know if something is not right.. it will display 800MHz dram speed on 6-7-6-18 1TStability is problematcial in a clock.. you have to work that out with temps and I gave you all the voltage variables to do it... for 3.8-4Ghz operationCPU Voltage - 1.35 to 1.42 - you must find the lowest stableDRAM VOLTAGE - 1.65-1.69 (1.65 most common) and you will probably need to run that regardless to use REDLINE 1600QPI/DRAM VOLTAGE - 1.37 - 1.42 (1.37 most common) and you will probably need to run that regardless to use REDLINE 1600

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hi Nick,i understood most of ur info. i was a little unsure about the Uncore/UCLK stuff (step #5) in my previous post. i know about the Uncore Mulltiplier(Freq). needing to be 2x the Mem. Speed(Freq.) as u said, since i have the 965 i didn't know for sure if i needed to set the Uncore/UCLK settings manually or if they will be set automatically after saving the other changes & exiting the BIOS. no reason to do something manually that might be done automatically right?You got the idea of how it works from your list but do not make it complicated...its very simple.not trying to complicate things here. heh heh since we're talking about a $1,000 Proc. alone here, i'd prefer to "know" what i'm doing b4 i do it. not just having an idea of how it works. not because i don't trust what you're saying - far from it. but because i might be mis-understanding something and do something totally opposite from what u suggested and possibly having another mess on my hands. just trying to play it safe here. i appreciate your patience. can you verify step #5 in my previous post?it may be a day or so b4 i can try any O/C'g. gotta get that Therm. HS in and get CPUz downloaded again.again, many thanks for your help and patiencehappy flyin, Tim

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Nick,i got the Therm. 120 Ultra Xtreme HS mounted today. unfortunately, i'm not that impressed with the results so far. running at the same stock speed, temps. dropped 5 degrees at the most. 50c down to 45c according to CPUz the processor is running at 3.2ghz. same as with the Zalman 9700 that i removed. using AS5 TIM with both HS's. also, i used roughly the same amount on both. and, i had to remove the video card cooling fan mounted on the case cover (case access cover) in order to get the cover back on. it was making contact with the 120 Xtreme HS and i could not get the cover back on without removing it. the case is an Alienware Full Tower from 2003. if this is as cool as i'm going to be able to get the CPU at the stock speed, what's the Max. O/C that i should be gunning for in your opinion? or should i be trying to O/C at all?just to let you know up front i have No intentions of removing the Board or HS again. i say this because judging by looking at the CPU heat spreader when the Zalman was removed (as well as the base of the Zalman itself) too much AS5 was Not applied. if anything, possibly not enough was applied. and, there's No damage of any kind to the 120 Ultra Xtreme HS from top to bottom. i checked it out b4 i installed it.again, thanks for all your help and info.happy flyin, Tim

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Hi TimI can not answer in detail right now however if you installed that 120 correctly and that tower can breathe right and your BIOS is setup correctly then you should have no problem hitting 3.8-4Ghz <80c stable under a full loadIwill post back later

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hi again Nick,thanks for the reply. take your time. not a prob. while i'm here and have some time i thought i'd give u a little more info. and lay a couple more questions on ya.the case Had a total of 5 fans before i had to remove the cooling fan from the side cover yesterday. 4 fans remain - 2 intake fans on the front and 2 exhaust fans in the back. all are 80mm fans i believe. not sure what you mean by.."if the Ultra 120 is installed correctly"... unless your referring to the orientation of the HS then you lost me on that one.if your referring to the "orientation/positioning" of the HS then, the "Fan side of the HS is facing the front of the case. according to the instructions, the HS fan Pulls air into the HS. so, with that position air is being directed to the back of the case which i thought would be the best position. i've seen pics. of Both positions being used with the Ultra 120 installed on Core i-7 boards on the Web.i know the Core i-7 Heat spreaders are slightly elongated as opposed to square like the Core2 procs. i'm sure you know more about this than i do. but to be quite honest i would be very surprised if the Fan side of the HS facing the top or bottom of the case would yield a 5 degree or more drop in the CPU temp. but i could be wrong...just guessing here.SPEEDSTEP, HT, TURBO MODE, VT, CPU/PCIE SPREAD SPECTRUM are Disabled in the BIOS. there is 1 setting i came across in the BIOS the other day that i'm not sure about...Virtualization VT-d I/O - what should i set that one to? Default setting is Disabled. also, with C1E Support Enabled on the new board, according to CPUz the Proc. is running at the 3.2 stock speed. with the P5E3 with C1E Support Enabled the 9650 was running at 2-2.5Ghz according to CPUz. weird huh? btw, can i get the Mem. running at the 1600 speed 1st then o/c the Proc.? or does the Proc. need to be o/c to a certain speed b4 the Mem. will run at the 1600 speed? as i'm sure you can tell i'm not an experienced o/c'er by any means.again, respond to this post and the previous one in more detail at your convenience.thanks again for your help and patience with me on this.happy flyin, Tim

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