May 7, 200917 yr The VOR in question was pretty close to the airport, and it was clear what "side" of the VOR had the restriction. I checked the chart and there's no fix at that point.Here's a mental picture though:VKZ is about 8 miles east of KMIA. Descending on the CYY5 arrival (from the west), the controller says "cross 40nm west of VKZ at 10,000). A 40nm ring intersects the route at one point only, but we can't get the FMS do draw us a picture.It needs a bit of careful calculation, but it's doable. I can't say the clearance bothered me. In the good ol' days flying the three holer (727), I'd have done it just the way any MD11 pilot would have to.PaulOn the KMIA CYY5 arrival, WORPP is the intersection with ALT/SPD restriction to expect.When flying this arrival, no idee why an ATC controller would refer to a VOR/DME thats not part of the arrival and even is not shown on this arrival chart.Sure you can satisfy his request one way or another.Still I am missing the logic here.Regards,Harry
May 7, 200917 yr Well if you really want the MD11 to do it for you, you can guestimate the radial you'll be crossing the VOR at 35 DME by looking at the Nav Display. After your initial input one or at the most two corrections can yield you the 35 DME radial. After that insert your restriction and re-engage NAV. Still doesn't quite give you the answer though because if the FMS says it's unable restriction, it says so based on CI climb profile. While in reality you can adapt your climb to reach somewhere. Slowly trading energy for climb performance. True on all planes and FMC's.Xander Xander Koote All round aviation geek 1st Officer Boeing 777
May 8, 200917 yr Harry,When I was given the instruction, I wasn't descending into Miami, I just used that as an example, as that's pretty much what happened.Paul
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