I have FSPassengers installed on my system and I liked to use it in my flights before mainly for three reasons:1. It provided easy passenger, cargo and fuel loading2. It gave me random failures at a preset rate of chance.3. It gives me scores and penalties if I do something wrongNow, the first one can be beautifully done within JS41 itself using weight&balance worksheet (except for the fueling but I have another gadget for fueling and it's not problem). In fact it's so nice to load passengers and cargo with this that I prefer this to FSPassengers' loading. But I miss that little anxiety for the failures. I don't know if PMDG will integrate a failure module with future service updates, but I wonder if FSPassengers could generate random failures for this complex aircraft. Let's assume that it can, but this time payload loading will be a problem. As I said, I'd prefer PMDG's own weight&balance worksheet but since I have to load payload from FSPassengers' own menu, this will interfere with what I load using the sheet. So do you think they go together?

Murat,I did a little playing around with FSPax during beta testing (a very little), and they do work together, but not as seamlessly as FSPax does with most other aircraft, simply because of the way that the JS41 handles passenger loading. FSPax includes the baggage weight along with the passenger's individual weight, so when you accept a passenger loadout, what gets loaded into your aircraft is not just the pax, but their baggage, as well. So, instead of a 175 pound passenger in the seat, FSPax gives you a 215 pound passenger (175 pounds, plus their 40 pounds of bags). I wasn't able to find a way to separate them. When FSPax loads your passengers, you will not see them on your load sheet, and to be honest, I don't know what FSPax is doing to the weight, there. Another problem is that by default, FSPax sets the Vfe (maximum flap extended speed) at 170 KIAS, which is thirty knots less than the actual value. I also haven't been able to figure out how to change that value. Truth is, I didn't try that hard to figure it out.I haven't seen FSPax do anything harmful to the JS41, so there's no reason not to try it out.

Hi muratokay,yes FS-Passengers is a good addon, i allready created a ini file for the Jetstream 41... regarding the loading, loadsheet is also updated, but not completly regarding passengers. While testing i found that the PMDG loadsheet is confusing the cargo areas, here is my posting. (still no answer, they are working on the critical bugs)It seams that the last application who do changes to the AC-weight simply update it for all areas. So it may be, if you dont touch the loadsheet after loading with FSP, all is fine but without passengers in external view. Of course, you could add passengers with the loadmanger, before you create a flight with FSP. Iam still waiting for someone who could confirm the problem with the PMDG loadsheet.A simple test would be, load in both cargo areas the same weight while noting the CG index of the loadsheet, you will see what i mean. Also possible, check the FSX weight and balance... ;)Correctly loading with fs-passengers is possible with my new ini file (still testing), positioning of weights and cg is set accordingly to the aircraft.Best regardsJ

FSPax includes the baggage weight along with the passenger's individual weight, so when you accept a passenger loadout, what gets loaded into your aircraft is not just the pax, but their baggage, as well. So, instead of a 175 pound passenger in the seat, FSPax gives you a 215 pound passenger (175 pounds, plus their 40 pounds of bags). I wasn't able to find a way to separate them. When FSPax loads your passengers, you will not see them on your load sheet, and to be honest, I don't know what FSPax is doing to the weight, there. Another problem is that by default, FSPax sets the Vfe (maximum flap extended speed) at 170 KIAS, which is thirty knots less than the actual value. I also haven't been able to figure out how to change that value. Truth is, I didn't try that hard to figure it out.I haven't seen FSPax do anything harmful to the JS41, so there's no reason not to try it out.

Hi EMB120,glad to see some more who like that interaction. Isnt it ok if FSP add 20 pounds of Carry one for each passenger ?, i mean you can also do that with the pmdg loadsheet but limmited to 100 lbs max ("Carry ons in closet" is added to the for cabin area) ? What about the induvidual passenger weight of FSP, it is also different for each passenger or ? I mean FPS is generating the weights arround a baseweight and adds also a random arround the carry on weight or ?Ahh by the way, if you use spot plane while FSP is loading, you see the aircraft phisical moving slowly down a bit, depends on the load :( Best regardsJ

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Thank you very much for your answers gentlemen. So, I see that there are some issues to be solved for FSPax to load JS41 correctly. I'm going to try this then: I will first start a flight with FSPax, load some passengers and fuel. Then when it is loaded, I will unload all the load using the sheet (bringing all numbers to 0). Then I'm going to add passengers and cargo again using the sheet this time and hope FSPax will not give me any errors for this :( If that works, I can see the passengers and also load the aircraft correctly I think.

I did a flight this morning with FSPax, using a method similar to yours, Murat. I zeroed the load sheet first, before initiating FSPax. Seemed to work okay. I could not get the weights to reconcile, though. I had 21 passengers and the ZFW didn't match up when I added 21 passengers to the load sheet. I had to add about 340 pounds to the aft baggage compartment to get it to match, and that didn't feel right either.Takeoff weight was calculated at 21,800 lbs, and though I couldn't confirm it in FSX, the climb performance seemed to bear it out. If the load sheet had added 21 passengers on top of the 21 passengers added by FSPax, we'd never have gotten to 15,000 feet.

Yes you're right Kurt, once we start a flight with FSPax, we can not check our final weight through the payload menu in FSX. And if it is the case that we are adding 21 passengers on top the ones that are already loaded with FSPax, this method seems to be useless.

...in my ini for FSP i have 6 loading zones:you see, that i included the Pilots, a possible Jumpseat and the Flightattendant, to match the weights with the planes predefined loading of the crew.Ok what iam doing currently is: Right, i also clear the plane of any loading with the planes loadsheet, but renember there is still a fixed value for the pilots and the attendant ! Next i start the flight with FSP. After loading is compleded, i enter the aggregaded payload (pax&baggage + cargo) to the FMS weight (planing) page, this is only estimated. After FSP loading, i do the job of the rampagent and fill the loadsheet with passengers (renember to deduct the crew), cargo and fuel. If i have differences, i compare this with "Carry ons in closets" and perhaps a jumpseat. The last 3 pounds i correct in FMS weight page. The result is, if have nearly the same weights in FSP and the loadsheet, cog is also nearly the same, but could differ because of the confusion of the planes loadsheet regarding the cargo areas.J

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...in my ini for FSP i have 6 loading zones:you see, that i included the Pilots, a possible Jumpseat and the Flightattendant, to match the weights with the planes predefined loading of the crew.Ok what iam doing currently is: Right, i also clear the plane of any loading with the planes loadsheet, but renember there is still a fixed value for the pilots and the attendant ! Next i start the flight with FSP. After loading is compleded, i enter the aggregaded payload (pax&baggage + cargo) to the FMS weight (planing) page, this is only estimated. After FSP loading, i do the job of the rampagent and fill the loadsheet with passengers (renember to deduct the crew), cargo and fuel. If i have differences, i compare this with "Carry ons in closets" and perhaps a jumpseat. The last 3 pounds i correct in FMS weight page. The result is, if have nearly the same weights in FSP and the loadsheet, cog is also nearly the same, but could differ because of the confusion of the planes loadsheet regarding the cargo areas.J

Hi EMB120,thanks for the cargo limitations, couldnt find that info !hmm, yes like to change the order and test that, what can i expect than in detail ?...problem is, if i release the payload model than for that manual changed cfg, and PMDG fix it in the loadsheet gauge, all is messed up again J

Jorg,I am following your post. In my FSPx, I dont have PMDG J41 "Payload Editor".I also checked FSPx additional dowload, it is not there ,too. Did you design your self? If yes , are you going to put in FSPx additional dowload section it will very good tool for all of us.ThanksSanal

Dear Sanal,plz be patient, as i wrote allready it get uploaded when its ready...J