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Just looking for opinions from those that have the new game. I have a lot of addon in FS2k2 and it just appears that there is not alot new with this current release. I have read the list of additions, but also want opinions from others who now have FS2k4 if the new stuff justifies the cost of a whole new game. Screen shots are nice, but with exception of clouds don't see alot of difference there. ALso heard clouds are still 2D up close. IFR has expanded , but only so much. Icing is included but not visually. What do you who have the game think - overhyped upgrade/patch or well worth it and justified as a separate release?

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Justified as a separate release....The weather isn't an upgrade--it's a complete rengineering of the weather engine.Airports have been greatly enhanced, and from that angle alone I've seen people pay more for collections of scenery add-ons which give less.Ground textures look great--again, people have paid for texture upgrades and I think FS2004 exceeds what we've seen before.Added detail in Autogen and cities. I call it "extreme" Autogen.Once 3rd party developers get on board, incredible AI potential.I've seen these things first hand, having worked with gold for several weeks. I was so convinced by what I saw, I went out and added to my RAM, and upgraded my video card, just so I could enjoy some of the newer features on a rather beaten system....I've only focussed on improvements--things were also fixed along the way, but its the improvements we pay for, so you decide....:-beerchug

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But unless you have a monster of a machine...you won't enjoy them...Richard

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>But unless you have a monster of a machine...you won't enjoy>them...>Actually you can, but it depends what you're combining them with. I've got some excellent cloud scenes & flying on my Athlon 1900XP/Geforce3Ti500. But I can't combine them with high detailed airports without a large fps loss. It really does vary from scenario to scenario. There are even some detailed scenery areas that just allow a high fps count. So I can always throw more clouds into the mix.L.Adamson

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I have only messed around with it for a small while, and agree with all the positives that John pointed out.On the slightly negative side, for those that are interested, is that the landclass accuracy has not been improved that I can see. I bet Justin (FSGenesis) is licking his chops :-lol Allen

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I have to say though, the so called 3D clouds is highly overrated. Unless of course you'd think it was normal for clouds to SPIN and do 360 turns while ur flying over them. Kind of a cheat to make them appear like 3D from all sides and not the billboard clouds they are.Switch to "simple" clouds option in weather options actually makes the clods look worse then in 2002.Will be nice to see what FS Sky World can come up with though :)

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>But unless you have a monster of a machine...you won't enjoy>them...How true and when this is your main hobby, you got to spend the bucks to get the most out of it. The machine I am getting from Dell is in excess of $4900 but with a 3.2Ghz P4, 2GB of RAM, a 21" UltraSharp flat screen monitor and 120GB HD, surround sound 5.1 system and finally an ATi 9800 Pro card, every slider in FS2004 and dare I say, FS2006 will be able to be maxed out.

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What is your cloud setting in the display menu? There is a range of imposters to 100% 3D.In the following pic, I didn't fly at high altitudes over these clouds, but they didn't do 360's either.

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After 3 hours and not even scratching the surface, I can easily say it's worth every penny I paid (including the overnight shipping cost).There are so many little improvements, and I know I didn't find most of them. The screenshots haven't done the graphics justice. And most importantly, the performance out of the box is incredible. It sets up defaults based on your hardware. The "normal" settings seem to equal the current "maxed" settings of FS2002. With my fairly new machine I surprisingly don't have a lot of room to grow with performance. I flew a bad weather flight into DFW with most of the sliders 70% and 100% AI and the FPS easily stayed about 20. I'll admit it's not perfect. I have the ATI menu text flickering problem (annoying, but no big deal), ATC has the seesaw vectors etc. But in comparision to the significant improvements, it is easily worth the $$$. I'm having a blast with the default addons. Once Ultimate Traffic and some of the other addons work - look out!!FS2002 set a standard for MS FS releases that pushed the envelope, added new features and was playable on most machines out of the box. FS2004 raises the bar.Ed RutledgeKDFWP4 2.8 Ghz/800 FSB1 Gig 3200 DDRRadeon 9500 Pro

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>I'm having a blast with the default addons. and what exactly are default addons ?Michael J.

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my bad - I meant default flight models (kids - note what happens when you fly with a few Makers and sevens - undoubtedly against some virtual FAA regulation :) )The default flight models are much better. Unlike FS2002, the Lear is very stable. The 737 and 172 and very nice as well.

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>>>I'm having a blast with the default addons. >>and what exactly are default addons ?>>Michael J.>ROFL! Probably stuff like airplanes, ground, trees, sky, clouds, buildings, bridges. You know, the stuff added on as an afterthought. (I enjoy a good semantics police roust from time to time! ...as long as I'm not the one in cuffs, of course) *grin*

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Possibly a cheat, but it may give you the ability to display more clouds with less FPS hit.Also, since you are "supposed" to be INSIDE the plane when flying, from that perspective I bet you would not even notice. It's only when you are outside the plane that you notice. And just what are you doing on the OUTSIDE of your plane ;-)

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Keep us updated on how FS2004 operates with your new PC.Thanks,Robbie

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>>But unless you have a monster of a machine...you won't>enjoy>>them...>>How true and when this is your main hobby, you got to spend>the bucks to get the most out of it. The machine I am getting>from Dell is in excess of $4900 but with a 3.2Ghz P4, 2GB of>RAM, a 21" UltraSharp flat screen monitor and 120GB HD,>surround sound 5.1 system and finally an ATi 9800 Pro card,>every slider in FS2004 and dare I say, FS2006 will be able to>be maxed out.I doubt it. The 3.2 is going to be outdated very shortly. Remember, the X1800 I believe was considered a Top of the Line system 2 years ago...and look at it now. The 3.2 GHZ will be the same. That's why I'm hesitant about spending my money on one.But to each his own! :)

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True Shane, but when do you upgrade? Do you wait for the successor to the 3.2 or wait for the one after that one? It is never ending. By the by, anyone know what is coming after the 3.2 and how soon?

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All I know is processors can reach the 15, maybe 16 GHz and then they'll stop as it would be really hard to make faster ones (I read it somewhere and it made sense when I did, I can't remember the exact reason now), although with nanotech that might change...Anyways, when computers reach 15 GHz I know updates will be less frequent, and if each update only adds let's say 100 MHz then it won't be worth it that much :(It is VERY hard to keep up with technology these days...what's important is not to feel that if ytou don't have the latest, FS won't run right. When GHz processors came out, everyone was saying how fast they were and how well FS2002 ran. Then why suddenly, 2 years ago, if you don't have a 2 GHz minimun PC, your FS performance won't be right? After all, it was great when the GHz processors first came out wasn't it?If you can afford it, update, but remember you'll ALWAYS have to do further updates.

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They said 10MHz was the limit, then 100MHz, then 1GHz...So now the limit is 10-15GHz? Hmm, I see a trend developing here :)

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>What is your cloud setting in the display menu? There is a>range of imposters to 100% 3D.I have cloud setting at 70-80% around that. Mind you the spinning isnt taking place so obvious when looking out the window of the cockpit. Its more when looking straight down (5-key) - i know i know its not normal to do that either from a plane - but i like to look at mesh from that angle :DI tried flying over totally overcast sky with 80% thickness it does look a bit silly looking down seeing 100's of little clouds spinning as i go over them heheOh, and even on 80% and with cloud draw at minimum 60 miles it still chops up my sound and chokes my machine (FPS 10 max), on a XP2000 1GB RAM GF4 machine that is :(Having said this, game does looks great all in all, flight models of the GA planes MUCH improved, and airports: wow :D

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Hi,fs2k4 is indeed a step forward in many aspects, ranging from default flight models (a lot more convincing, although we all know that tallented FDE designers can allways do even better...), weather not only from the graphical standpoint but also and for me very specialy because - AT LAST!!! - they've tweaked that awful turbulence model, and it now feels just great!I have also noticed, here and there, many unexpected features, such as, for instance, the effect that turning ON engine anti-ice has on the turboprop Beechcraft Kingair. The new helicopter is promissing, although I haven't yet found a way to modify it's CFG file in such a way that it behaves realisticaly, at least in terms of comparison to X-Plane, my other preferred flight sim, together with IL2-FB ;-). Autorotation, although possible, is way too difficult to attain, and the helos in MSFS still behave unrealisticaly when the engine is shutoff (they should require considerable amounts of right anti-torque because, opposite of when you hover or increase collective, the helo body wants to rotate to the left...).I haven't really performed a full ATC conducted flight, but from the few demo flights I flew I am also very well impressed by the new features!!!

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i've seen none of the spinning you mention.i consider the clouds to be beautifully done (and i fly daily in the real stuff), greatly adding to the realism of this sim.the weather is not an upgrade. the new weather alone is worth the price of this sim.other aspects of this new sim are too numerous to mention with many, most likely not even explored at this early date.after 10+ hrs running on the same 'puter as fs2002, with far more detail,features ,etc i get the same fps, no stutters, no probs (yet).donp4 306ti 46001 gig ramxp home

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The upgrade is nice, and worth the price for me.But it falls short of my expectations in a couple of areas. Landclass and mesh are not noticeably improved. And, the Garmin's have limited screen resolution and range/pan controls.FS Genesis and FS Navigator were awarded a two year lease on life, for sure. They'll have my money !For some, FS 2002 still remains a great option, as it gives most of the fun, at no additional cost. Frankly and objectively, on two routine flights I usually take (Crystal River Florida, to Inverness, Florida.... And Vegas east to the Grand Canyon), I see very little difference when compared to FS 2002. Yes, the clouds are nicer.If you have not got the bucks for the upgrade, don't be bent out of shape. You've still got 90 percent (or more) of the fun, and a great sim to boot.That's how I see it.Bob (Lecanto, Fl)

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