Hi all,I'm sure some of you have seen the ITVV video of Martinair MD-11 from Sciphol Amsterdam to Palma. I really enjoy the video and I would like to do this same flight and exact senarios using the PMDG MD-11. I tired to get as much information as I could from the video but there're a couple of things that's not mentioned. That is the gross weight of the aircraft and the amount of fuel. From the video, the lady says a ZFW from 164.7 and was based on 296 passengers. But why does she say FROM 164.7? Was that not the exact ZFW? I tried to set the ZFW to 164.7 in the load manager but I had to take out some of the cargo or freight. Of course, I'm using the kilograms unit because I'm assuming their weights will be in kilograms. I know how many passengers to load but I don't know how much freight and how much fuel to load. The other thing I must consider is to determine if this flight was an economy flight or mixed class flight so that I can choose that from the load manager. In the video, the FMS is shown on the take-off page and it tells you how much the aircraft weighed but I cannot make it out because the camera shot is too far. From what I can tell, it looks like 283 on the FMS where it indicates the gross weight. I also would like to know what cost index was used for this flight but I don't think that was mentioned. Does anyone have this information for this phase of the flight or was anyone able to make out anything indicated on the FMS?Ken.

I do know that Martinair has 7 MD-11C planes. (Combi)They used to convert it to a passenger plane in busy summer months and in winter times it would run as a cargo plane. As from 2006, they only use the planes for cargo runs. On the website of Martinair you can find the number of seats for each MD-11. http://www.martinair.com/nl_en/about/fleet.aspx My guess is that they have the economy layout. The difference is still 20 passengers between what the website of Martinair says and what the load manager gives you but that might be down to the fact that Martinair uses the MD-11C and not the normal MD-11. Not sure but I think the PMDG plane is set to be the standard plane and not the MD-11C. (Might be handy for you to read the wiki page about the MD-11 to figure out the exact difference between each version of the MD-11: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_MD-11)Hope this helps.

I do know that Martinair has 7 MD-11C planes. (Combi)They used to convert it to a passenger plane in busy summer months and in winter times it would run as a cargo plane. As from 2006, they only use the planes for cargo runs. On the website of Martinair you can find the number of seats for each MD-11. http://www.martinair.com/nl_en/about/fleet.aspx My guess is that they have the economy layout. The difference is still 20 passengers between what the website of Martinair says and what the load manager gives you but that might be down to the fact that Martinair uses the MD-11C and not the normal MD-11. Not sure but I think the PMDG plane is set to be the standard plane and not the MD-11C. (Might be handy for you to read the wiki page about the MD-11 to figure out the exact difference between each version of the MD-11: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_MD-11)Hope this helps.

Hi Tiemen,I don't know if I made myself clear but I want to enter the exact information, that is, the gross weight, fuel load, number of passengers that was in the ITVV MD-11 video into the PMDG MD-11 load manager so that I will be at the same weight and performance that was in the video. Ken. Manning

Hi Tiemen,I don't know if I made myself clear but I want to enter the exact information, that is, the gross weight, fuel load, number of passengers that was in the ITVV MD-11 video into the PMDG MD-11 load manager so that I will be at the same weight and performance that was in the video. Ken. Manning

Hi Ken,Well if you read my post you can only come to one conclusion and that is that you cant set the plane up to be exactly the same because its a different MD-11 type in the first place. So you will have to make some compromises there. Calculated fuel for that specific flight is impossible to find out but you can get it pretty close. I dont think the FMS had 284 displayed because that is very heavy for such a short flight. I think it displayed something arround 204. That gives you around 40.000kg of fuel, should be enough for a short flight from AMS to PMI. Based on your information I created a load. See the screenshot, I think this is as close as you are going to get it.Tiemen,

I dont think the FMS had 284 displayed because that is very heavy for such a short flight.

On that particular flight they carried fuel for the return trip also - that much I remember from the video.

Hi Ken,Well if you read my post you can only come to one conclusion and that is that you cant set the plane up to be exactly the same because its a different MD-11 type in the first place. So you will have to make some compromises there. Calculated fuel for that specific flight is impossible to find out but you can get it pretty close. I dont think the FMS had 284 displayed because that is very heavy for such a short flight. I think it displayed something arround 204. That gives you around 40.000kg of fuel, should be enough for a short flight from AMS to PMI. Based on your information I created a load. See the screenshot, I think this is as close as you are going to get it.Tiemen,

Hi Tiemen,Yes, that's about what I came up with in the load manager. As a matter of fact, you're just about right on the money. I watched the video again today and while the crew were in the cockpit, the scene shows the FMS on the take-off page and I looked again very carefully and it looks like the take-off GW is 203.5 tonnes. It was hard to tell if the 0 was an 8 or 0. While they were doing the briefing before arriving at the airplane, 39.5 tonnes was mentioned and I assume that was the fuel that was carried on board for the flight to Palma and the return flight back to Amsterdam. I added the 39.5 tonnes of fuel in the load manager and that made the GW come out right at 203.8 tonnes. I think this is very close to what was loaded on the MD-11 in the ITVV video. But there's one thing that doesn't add up. The lady said that the ZFW of 164.7 tonnes is based on 296 passengers and 500 kilograms of cargo. At least it sound like she said 500 kilograms. But 500 kilograms doesn't add up. Based on our calculations, we added approximately 15,000 kilograms of cargo to make that ZFW come out near 164. So, where does she come up with 500 kilograms of cargo, or did I miss understand her? I know her accent is sometimes hard to understand and on ocassions they would talk at the same time. But I want to know how she came up with 500 kilograms. Yes, Tom, I think you're right. They loaded enough fuel for the return trip back to Amsterdam. Thanks guys for your inputs. Ken.

She mentions 500kg. But that might be added cargo which they refer to later in the flight (Landing at PMI) aswell. Might be that they calculated passenger cargo together with the passenger weight. But they only mentioned passenger numbers.

Guys, look for Mr. Ruud Bakker, who was the Captain on that particular flight, on Facebook, and ask him personally! Maybe he can still remember:-) Seriosuly, I would ask him, if unsure!

Guys, look for Mr. Ruud Bakker, who was the Captain on that particular flight, on Facebook, and ask him personally! Maybe he can still remember:-) Seriosuly, I would ask him, if unsure!

Wow, I'm not on Facebook so would be very interested of any reply?Great thread btw. The ITVV video is the best one imo

Couldn't find him and now I feel like a geek for looking....

I also tried and could not find him. I would check for the F/O, what's his name? Some Robert as far as I can remember.

I also tried and could not find him. I would check for the F/O, what's his name? Some Robert as far as I can remember.

Robert Lenz. Apparantly left seating now and still working for 'Martinair' as a B767 Captain.

Couldn't find him either:-(

Couldn't find him either:-(

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