I truly love all my PMDG Fleet (growing). I also adore, my RealAir B60 Duke. Not said to belittle any previous efforts but could there be a God, so good, as to encourage verbal intercourse between these two parties with a view to a "Joint Project". The obvious expertise of these two organisations, combined, could produce something pretty well unbelievable. I can't see why this isn't the 'norm' in the industry, actually. Co-Operation and sub-contracting.To any of the PMDG Personnel, reading this: I've had a close look at the amazing design of the 8i Wing. Could it be possible, you're going to surprise us with a free 'performance profile', when Boeing publishes it? :( :( Those engines look 'bigger', to me. Suck in more air. I'll bet it's got a higher cruise.Its interesting what Boeing is doing, actually. The actual fuselage of the 747 is a work of art and efficiency and longevity. They also must know that particular area like the back of their hand, by now. In all its possible modes. viz: 747SP. So, basically, they've perfected the design of the wing and engine package. I doubt it will be much faster. It'll just cruise higher with a boost to fuel economy, probably at the same speed, at the higher altitude. Love the rear 'faring' at the rear of the engines.Jon

To be honest, I don't see what Realair would add to a project like that. I think PMDG has all the talent they would need to do an awesome GA project. They've got awesome flight modelers, systems modelers, model modelers (lol), texture artists, and support staff. What else would they need? (Besides the will/time to make a GA plane...) :(

To be honest, I don't see what Realair would add to a project like that. I think PMDG has all the talent they would need to do an awesome GA project. They've got awesome flight modelers, systems modelers, model modelers (lol), texture artists, and support staff. What else would they need? (Besides the will/time to make a GA plane...) :(

Oh, I don't doubt what you say is right. I was more or less looking at it as a 'scenario'. It would have to be an amicable joint effort, bearing the Hallmarks' of both companies , affixing their stamp on a high premium product, sought after by enthusiastic and eager to purchase, flight simmers. I'd spend $150+ for something like that. The offerings of both are second to none. I just don't see any reason for it not to happen. Ok, fly both and get back to me.I have many different, payware aircraft, scenery is all ORBX (astounding) with REX 2. I just wish their talents could combine to present an aircraft, where even the dunnies, 'flush'. I know. I can dream. Now that Ive considered it some more, $300.00, I'd pay, for something, 'the Pinnacle' of the Flight Simmers art. It would need heaps of pesonnel. Thus, the joint venture, idea. Surely they don't all hate each other :( PMDG have done a great job with a very boring panel in the 747. Baby Poo Brown. That's as exciting as it gets. BOEING!! Please, some different colours? But get a close-up of the B60 panel. It's a different ballgame. Kind to frame rates, too.Jon

Oh, I don't doubt what you say is right. I was more or less looking at it as a 'scenario'. It would have to be an amicable joint effort, bearing the Hallmarks' of both companies , affixing their stamp on a high premium product, sought after by enthusiastic and eager to purchase, flight simmers. I'd spend $150+ for something like that. The offerings of both are second to none. I just don't see any reason for it not to happen. Ok, fly both and get back to me.I have many different, payware aircraft, scenery is all ORBX (astounding) with REX 2. I just wish their talents could combine to present an aircraft, where even the dunnies, 'flush'. I know. I can dream. Now that Ive considered it some more, $300.00, I'd pay, for something, 'the Pinnacle' of the Flight Simmers art. It would need heaps of pesonnel. Thus, the joint venture, idea. Surely they don't all hate each other :( PMDG have done a great job with a very boring panel in the 747. Baby Poo Brown. That's as exciting as it gets. BOEING!! Please, some different colours? But get a close-up of the B60 panel. It's a different ballgame. Kind to frame rates, too.Jon

do you realize that $300 could by you some real hours in a real plane....why would you spend that kind of money one add-on?

do you realize that $300 could by you some real hours in a real plane....why would you spend that kind of money one add-on?

Because I'd only have to do it once. $300 in Australia, would get you, oh I dunno. 2 hours? This way, I'd have it until the cd separated. A while. It'd need to be the 'ducks guts' add-on though.Jon

But get a close-up of the B60 panel. It's a different ballgame. Kind to frame rates, too.

Funny you would mention that. PMDG's VC's look a lot more realistic to me than the Duke's or any of Realair's. It looks like its never been used before and it has that usual realair shine to it that I've never been able to figure out. They aren't shiny like that in real life! The J41 and MD-11 on the other hand look like you could sit right in them and fly away.My frame rates in the Duke are only marginally (if any) better than the MD-11 or J41. Sometimes I wonder why the Duke gives me the FPS it does. It isn't really any more detailed than any other plane I have. I once looked at the drawcalls and they were abnormally high. Maybe that has to do with its less than stellar performance.Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on Realair or the Duke. I love their Spitfire and fly it quite often. The FPS impact of the Duke just pushes me away from flying it much. It is actually kind of sad because it is one of only a couple planes that has a 3D modeled RXP GNS430W. It is also one of the only decent twin engine prop planes made for FSX.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on Realair or the Duke. I love their Spitfire and fly it quite often. The FPS impact of the Duke just pushes me away from flying it much. It is actually kind of sad because it is one of only a couple planes that has a 3D modeled RXP GNS430W. It is also one of the only decent twin engine prop planes made for FSX.

Well, my advice is to fly the Duke, more often. I get where you're coming from though. I just see it from my own perspective, where I'm so impressed with the Duke, that, since I've owned it (6 weeks). Everything else has been mothballed. I've got a brand new JS4100 I have not even started (bought at the same time). Nup! I'm impressed.My misgivings about starting this thread were to do with any suggestion that either's product lacked anything. Diametrically opposite to my intention. I was just thinking, that, all of the expertise is rich and capable. I'm just trying to urge some rapport between people in a fascinating industry, where expertise, is too widely sewn. Personnel are a huge expense but a massive lever to getting things done. The way I see it: If there was a forward thinking entity that would take up this philosophy, Simmers might get higher quality products, more often...and I'm not complaining about the products I already own.I guess I'm just encouraging pushing the edge of the envelope.Jon

IMO the only collaboration PMDG needs is with Reality XP to help make weather radar come alive in the MD-11 and 747, as well as their future products