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I have to ask, why aren’t you able to set these things with your mouse? Genuinely curious.

Ah ok, YouTube is the official determination of truth now? Good grief, we are in more trouble that I thought.

You clearly have some strong opinions about this. That being said what solutions do you propose? I don’t see how ATC was at fault for this.

This seems like an insane waste of money. Then again, if they are advertising it, I can’t imagine how much money they are saving by not contracting it out.

I may not be experiencing the same thing you are. However I have noticed a stutter every second. I eventually found out it was due to having the beacon light on when using specific addons. Fenix suffers from this every so slightly while pmdg birds cause a much more noticeable stutter. I accepted it and just leave the beacon off for takeoff and landing lol.

Ha! I knew they were a store front for obvious reasons. But I actually thought they had a dedicated team of developers that were making these aircraft. Or multiple teams of developers isolated to specific genres of aircraft. Nevertheless, I presumed they went out and hunted down talent and then hired them onto the teams. Never knew it was just a collaboration of different entities making the products they sell. Ya learn something new everyday!!! 🤦🏼‍♂️😝

You’re clearly too emotional to have a constructive conversation about this. I appreciate your zeal for your position. However, I’m not in the mood to continue this with you….unless you’re buying the first round. Then I’ll oblige you AND get the second round.

Very well said! The market is changing. Either adapt or get out! Ha love it!

Great points from both of you. It’s clear I’m extremely disillusioned with what Flightsim development is these days. At this point I think it’s a load of hot garbage. I remember when it was a group of people working their butts off to do everything themselves. If they were good at it, they were able to stick around and grow in this niche market. If they didn’t have the skills, they failed. Now it’s just about who has the most capital and who’s a better production company. Makes sense though because now we have a ton of “developers” that make half or 3/4 baked products and can do it record pace. Just hire out some other groups to do your work, pay them some money and advertise it as your own.

Everything you say in this post makes perfect sense. In my opinion though, Flightsim add on companies like Pmdg, flytampa, leonardo, fslabs etc. aren’t like home builders or car companies for example. When I buy a Toyota, I go into that purchase knowing that there have been a bunch of B2B contracts set up for raw materials that make up the car as a whole. I understand that it was Toyota who designed the vehicle and have contracted things out to get the vehicle made. Same thing goes for houses, I don’t think the builder had a lumber farm some place and is growing and cutting down trees. Or getting stone from their own quarry some place. so I see your point and it makes complete sense. Going back to Flightsim. If PMDG contracted out the artwork, sound scape, and 3d scanning, what’s left? The systems code and optimization? At this point it’s not a pmdg product outside of the store name, it’s just a collaboration of different companies making one singular product. I came to the conclusion that PMDG did almost all of their work because during the old fsx days, vscimone was on the forums and showcased pictures of the NGX art work during development. It was said that he was doing all the work. Then RSR said himself before that point in time that the same individual who did the J41 was also assigned to do the md11. For years RSR has touted PMDG as doing all of their own work. That meant hiring people to their team to secure a skill set under the PMDG banner. To me, when a Flightsim company outsources work to another company and then says it’s their own, in the end, it’s not. That is a collaboration between companies. PMDG contracting with cloud services, store front software and other things like that I understood as necessary and was meant to do so. Required even. But modeling, texturing and to an extent, soundscape? Well now you’re just a production company with a fancy storefront and nothing more. I wonder that if all pmdg is are coders and optimizers, do you think they do work for other developers for their aircraft systems?

No, that’s green primer. Used to see that all the time on these jets at my old company.

Calm down…good grief. It’s Flightsim, not your retirement. No never realized it. It’s never been advertised as such and it’s never been pushed. I’ve never heard FSLabs say they are using a completely different modeling company for the airbus. I presumed that they are the ones with the skills doing it themselves. Same with their sounds and coding among other things. Why would I assume what you do and think these companies operate like multi nations Fortune 500 corporations? I assumed that an add on that took 2-4 years to develop did so because it was a small operation doing a ton of work by themselves. Not farming everything out and then just selling the product. I knew aerosoft operated like that but their products were never as good as the big players in this niche industry. It’s PMDG we are talking about. A company who has NEVER before mentioned other people doing their work up until recently. Why am I wrong or word not allowed to be surprised they are farming their work out? Pmdg has acted and advertised that it’s them doing everything in house for years. You suspect???? So you don’t actually know if FSLabs did work for inibuilds? Are they or are they not? I think it’s reasonable to presume that any company making aircraft for Flightsim have to do everything in their power to protect their competitive advantage. Why would they throw that away to make a quick buck from work for another company?

So it’s not Pmdg who did the modeling but gaya studios? Am I wrong in this understanding? Echo19 did their new sound update correct? If both of these are correct, it’s not really PMDG doing much of their new stuff anymore, it’s all contracted out. I never thought I’d see the day.

Hey guys, I’ve been searching for it but I can’t find that thread about the significant 777 update. Do you all know where it is? No matter what thread I go into, it’s just about msfs 2020 vs 2024 and how pmdg had bad customer service.

Your parents sent you to a boarding school huh? I’m sorry they didn’t love you enough to give you the attention and time you deserved. That makes sense though considering you can’t stand kids in society. Your parents couldn’t stand you and sent you away and as a result, you don’t understand how selfish you are. I would bet a ton of money you mainly just live all for yourself don’t you? Whether you have children or adult offspring, you probably most likely make decisions in your best interest in regards to everything. Sounds like a terrible life to live.