I've just rediscovered Rise of Flight multiplayer, and boy has it gotten good since the last two updates!Any owners of this gem should try multiplayer now if they shelved it earlier!

I'll have to look in to it, but shouldn't this be in the RoF forum section?

I'll have to look in to it, but shouldn't this be in the RoF forum section?

I guess he posted here because hardly anybody reads or posts in the ROF forum anymore. Its pretty much a barren wasteland.

I'll have to look in to it, but shouldn't this be in the RoF forum section?

What Momtchil said. C'mon Peter! :(

What Momtchil said. C'mon Peter! :(

I think the fact that the ROF forum is pretty much dead is a good indication of the level of 'success' of this simulator.ROF seemed like a very good simulator - for me it was killed by a ridiculous, unnecessary DRM and from what I heard a horrible user interface (I could have lived with that if it wasn't for the DRM); and the fact that there is no possibility of any 3rd party add-ons (payware or freeware), the only updates/enhancements can come from the developers themselves and if its aircraft - they have to be paid for. I know they released an update that no longer requires continuous Internet Access when playing single player but I still will not be happy (and will not buy) until they remove all Internet requirements and make them optional (which is what I thought they did).ROF is a fine example of a promising simulator killed in its initial release by its developers and distributors through the use of a hideous, stupid DRM. I doubt this is selling much nowadays even from the bargain bins (a pity considering it looked like a good simulator), the developers and distributors have only themselves to blame. First of all for the initial terrible user interface (I hope they fixed that by now, its a disgrace if they haven't), second for the DRM, and third for not getting completely rid of the DRM by now. I am still hoping the ROF developers/distributors can turn around the situation, but it seems less and less likely as time passes. The novelty has now worn off and in a couple of years time no-one will remember or care about ROF. A fine looking FS product with staggering potential - wasted. Developers take note, do not fall into the DRM abyss! To my mind, without the DRM, ROF would have been huge and certainly would have had potential to reach IL-2 or even FS9 or FSX levels of success - not gonna happen now, its too late (all they will have is the small loyal following they've picked up).Any nonsense about DRM being necessary in flight simulators to combat piracy is just that - nonsense. I've said it many times before - piracy has not brought down a single flight simulator ever. It can be a serious threat to payware add-ons but not really a significant threat to the simulator itself.

I think the fact that the ROF forum is pretty much dead is a good indication of the level of 'success' of this simulator.ROF seemed like a very good simulator - for me it was killed by a ridiculous, unnecessary DRM and from what I heard a horrible user interface (I could have lived with that if it wasn't for the DRM); and the fact that there is no possibility of any 3rd party add-ons (payware or freeware), the only updates/enhancements can come from the developers themselves and if its aircraft - they have to be paid for. I know they released an update that no longer requires continuous Internet Access when playing single player but I still will not be happy (and will not buy) until they remove all Internet requirements and make them optional (which is what I thought they did).ROF is a fine example of a promising simulator killed in its initial release by its developers and distributors through the use of a hideous, stupid DRM. I doubt this is selling much nowadays even from the bargain bins (a pity considering it looked like a good simulator), the developers and distributors have only themselves to blame. First of all for the initial terrible user interface (I hope they fixed that by now, its a disgrace if they haven't), second for the DRM, and third for not getting completely rid of the DRM by now. I am still hoping the ROF developers/distributors can turn around the situation, but it seems less and less likely as time passes. The novelty has now worn off and in a couple of years time no-one will remember or care about ROF. A fine looking FS product with staggering potential - wasted. Developers take note, do not fall into the DRM abyss! To my mind, without the DRM, ROF would have been huge and certainly would have had potential to reach IL-2 or even FS9 or FSX levels of success - not gonna happen now, its too late (all they will have is the small loyal following they've picked up).Any nonsense about DRM being necessary in flight simulators to combat piracy is just that - nonsense. I've said it many times before - piracy has not brought down a single flight simulator ever. It can be a serious threat to payware add-ons but not really a significant threat to the simulator itself.

Let's try to avoid the piracy debate here, we really do not need a 10+ page thread of debate on piracy. All I have to say on the subject is that DRM is only effective against zero day attempts on piracy most of the time, and should be removed shortly after release. ROF was a very good sim, and it has improved in patches, however the way they have it set up kind of kills it for me. On a side note, the method of how they unlock aircraft for play in game, I can semi-see, as it helps fund the games development, as long as they keep the price low enough on it.

Let's try to avoid the piracy debate here, we really do not need a 10+ page thread of debate on piracy.

Aye-Aye.But keep not making noise against DRM and all you'll have in the future will be DRM; and I doubt this would have turned turned into a 10+ page thread anyway (and I would have run away from something that tedious) as there just doesn't seem to be enough of an interest in ROF nowadays and I was trying to explain why.

I tried the demo, which seemed Okay at best. I wasn't a fan of the DRM scheme, the constant connection, or even the WW1 fighter handling characteristics. I think I was spoiled by Open Falcon, and then was spoiled further by DCS: Black Shark. are there any other items to think about when getting this game? It seemed a bit bland for my taste. (Sort of Tactless, vs. the High pace quick thinking and heavy planning qualities of say Falcon or DCS)I mean, half the fun of going on a mission is sitting in the briefing room with 12 other pilots discussing threats, and objectives and going over roles for the "Package". 4 guys doing a SEAD run 5 minutes infront of the "Main force" followed by 4 F-16's clearing the skies, and 8 F-16's Loaded with LGB's.It's a sight to behold. Rise of Flight seemed a lot more lone wolf-like. I'm generally after the teamwork factor (Like DCS and the DataLink). Perhaps I should do a retry? I have this itch that says it probably isn't worth it though.

It's a shame my comments on how great ROF's multiplayer is leads you guys directly to the DRM debate... That being said, a constant connection to ROF is not needed to play single player anymore. So we can now avoid 5 paragraph essays on the subject. :( :( Just being a smart alec!Back on topic though. Great changes have been made to both the userinterface and the multiplayer missions. Deathmatch, "king of the hill" type matches, and cooperative missions are available and they're all great fun.And Momtchil's comment on the interest level in ROF, I believe, is a little off base. The DRM did NOT kill ROF. As a matter of fact, ROF isn't dead at all. On the contrary, I believe there's a healthy interest in this simulator. And the developer's support for the sim IN ALL ASPECTS (updates, user support, new aircraft development) is second to none! Not only have they heeded user's wishes, they (Neoqb) surpass them.At Ryan. This is WWI, I wouldn't call it tactless. All of the tactics are in the actual dogfights (or furballs in these servers!). I'm an avid Black Shark user, and used to be a heavy Falcon/Open Falcon/Red Viper user. I have found the nitty gritty dogfighting entertaining and downright enthralling. I was actually nervous the first few times I faced off with human pilots.

I think you have to look at from a developers perspective. If you packed in your nice stable job, setup a business, spent a ton of cash, remortagaged your house and spent thousands and thousands of hours developing your own flight simulator, you'd want your cash back at the end of it.I see why they added the DRM - they want to get paid and rightly so.All that aside - I like ROF. You may find in the future they will change their methods and allow the community to develop add-ons. It's early days yet.